AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - * NO COMPETITOR HINTING *

Zeed · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:41

Clov!s said:
Probably be an underwhelming upgrade for me, 2700x and x470 to 3900x and x570 but I like upgrading all the things!

Cant see point of changing motherboard... If I was to change cpu and motherboard Every freaking Year id stay on Intel side. For me AMD had 2 selling points over intel. Solder and AM4 lasting 3 or 4 CPU's quite possible Zen2+ will also work on 370/470 motherboards

4K8KW10 · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:42

Zeed said:
Cant see point of changing motherboard... If I was to change cpu and motherboard Every freaking Year id stay on Intel side.

PCIe 4.0. New videocards. You can't stay with 3.0, can you?

FoxEye · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:43

Journey said:
Or less, or more...

Ryzen 5 3600 - £189
ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 X570 - £139
16GB (2x 8GB) Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3000MHz - £68

Total = £396

Ryzen 9 3900X - £499
Asus/Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI Highend board - £300-400
16GB Overpriced branded RAM - £150-200

Total = £949 - 1099.

Those that upgrade infrequently (like myself) probably aren't going to get a 6-core, because the shelf life for those is only realistically a couple years.

So I stand by £300 for the cheapest 8-core, £220 ish for the mobo (again infrequent upgraders aren't going to want an older-gen mobo, most likely), and £160 ish for the RAM.

So either we reevalute the strategy of infrequent upgrading (it's a PITA to keep selling on the old gear, and I don't have money to burn to turn them into media PCs or something McGuffin), or suck up a £700+ upgrade.

Journey · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:43

4K8KW10 said:
PCIe 4.0. New videocards. You can't stay with 3.0, can you?

Do you just smash your face on your keyboard on a daily basis? Since that how it seems. :rolleyes:

Captain · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:43

Zeed said:
Cant see point of changing motherboard... If I was to change cpu and motherboard Every freaking Year id stay on Intel side. For me AMD had 2 selling points over intel. Solder and AM4 lasting 3 or 4 CPU's quite possible Zen2+ will also work on 370/470 motherboards

More fun changing more often.

4K8KW10 · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:44

Zeed said:
Zen2+

It has been repeated multiple times that Zen2+ doesn't exist and such a word should never be used. Zen 3 can be a major change, for example 4-way SMT, etc.

Zeed · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:45

4K8KW10 said:
PCIe 4.0. New videocards. You can't stay with 3.0, can you?

You can there will be like 1-2% gain Maybe hardly any gain on gpu going from x8 to x16 as it is and thats on 2080ti

What gains would You expect from

humbug · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:46

Journey said:
Or less, or more...

Ryzen 5 3600 - £189
ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 X570 - £139
16GB (2x 8GB) Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3000MHz - £68

Total = £396

Ryzen 9 3900X - £499
Asus/Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI Highend board - £300-400
16GB Overpriced branded RAM - £150-200

Total = £949 - 1099.

If the ASRock Phantom Gaming 4 X570 is £140 i night buy it.

4K8KW10 · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:46

Zeed said:
You can there will be like 1-2% gain Maybe hardly any gain on gpu going from x8 to x16 as it is and thats on 2080ti

What gains would You expect from

That's fake. Navi can saturate the PCIe 4.0 bus

Potatowithearsontheside · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:48

It would be funny if they do produce a Zen 2+ as that would apparently make you Adoredtv 2.

Zeed · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:49

4K8KW10 said:
That's fake. Navi can saturate the PCIe 4.0 bus

Well navi is junk comopared to 2080ti anyway. And I bet many people here run M2 NVME in Raid as system drive to have some gains.

So where is the PCIE4 performance gain ?? Besides that X470 will have pcie4 but not officailly supported. Shiet I got PCIE4 bios installed AT THIS VERY MOMENT.

Journey · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:50

FoxEye said:
Those that upgrade infrequently (like myself) probably aren't going to get a 6-core, because the shelf life for those is only realistically a couple years.

So I stand by £300 for the cheapest 8-core, £220 ish for the mobo (again infrequent upgraders aren't going to want an older-gen mobo, most likely), and £160 ish for the RAM.

So either we reevalute the strategy of infrequent upgrading (it's a PITA to keep selling on the old gear, and I don't have money to burn to turn them into media PCs or something McGuffin), or suck up a £700+ upgrade.

So hold on, a 2500K 4c/4t is fine, but a CPU that has 3x as many threads and is potentially faster than an 8700K at total cost just over than of said CPU or the 8c/8t 9700K? You don't think that if you get a £189 CPU, that the saved £110 won't buy you a faster CPU by the time your 6c/12t part is too slow and you'll have spent the same or less money in total?

Also the board I listed is a brand new X570 board, not an old one at £139, what extra is that £80 more going to get you? Also what RAM are you buying for £160 that is going to be over 100% faster than the same amount of RAM from a different brand at £65-75?

If you had bought an i7 2600K not a 2500K I think your argument would be more valid, but you went for the budget option then, what is wrong with it now?

humbug · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:51

@Journey how do you know that board will be £140?

Zeed · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:51

Potatowithearsontheside said:
It would be funny if they do produce a Zen 2+ as that would apparently make you Adoredtv 2.

Well I think Zen2+ could happen tbh aka 16 core AM4 cpu

I remember reading somewhere that there will be tad beter revision of Zen2 on 7nm once it matures. I dont see problem with AMD sticking to 7nm till 2021 atm with intel being so far behind on theirs 10nm at this stage.

4K8KW10 · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:54

Zeed said:
Well I think Zen2+ could happen tbh aka 16 core AM4 cpu I remember reading somewhere that there will be tad beter revision of Zen2 on 7nm once it matures. I dont see problem with AMD sticking to 7nm till 2021 atm with intel being so far behind on theirs 10nm at this stage.

That won't deserve even the "plus"

Also, 2021 is ok, even 2024 will be fine. New processes become ever more sophisticated and difficult to go to.

Wucked · 4 Jun 2019 at 16:57

humbug said:
Must have done.

If you already have an Intel system all you need is the CPU and board.

£400 3800X
<£250 for the board

<£650.

you don't need RAM as you have DDR4 from the Intel system, just like all the other components.

All you need is the board and CPU. if you wan't a new GPU too, well that's not part of "the Ryzen 3000 upgrade / Intel switch"

It’s a bit more than that for older intel systems. Reusing as much as I am able I’ll want/need:

CPU
Mobo
RAM
M.2 boot drive
PSU (seems sensible with this level of upgrade)

Case, GPU, SATA and optical drives I can reuse on the cheap.

Journey · 4 Jun 2019 at 17:01

humbug said:
@Journey how do you know that board will be £140?

I asked someone a favour, the did it and got me some pricing from ASRock, I'd imagine that you'll see it between £139-£159 depending on which retailer you prefer. If the low end boards are in short supply you might see some scalping on that auction site, or even from some e-tailers.

willhub · 4 Jun 2019 at 17:01

4K8KW10 said:
Because DDR4-3600 you need.

Why? What will happen with 3200?

LePhuronn · 4 Jun 2019 at 17:06

willhub said:
Why would you need new RAM?

Because Sandy Bridge is DDR3.

Journey · 4 Jun 2019 at 17:06

LePhuronn said:
Because Sandy Bridge is DDR3.

You can just force it in to the DDR4 slot and it will work fine, sheesh..

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