Soldato
Stabbing a man that hasn't attempted to harm you 18 times is not self defence!!
Of course it is.
Of course it is.
it is when you already know the man to be argumentative.No, it's not.
but the victim had no business following the other dude irrespective of what the 'he did nothing wrong/wasn't aggressive/he's entitled to give him a piece of his mind' folk think. if you get into a heated exchange with somoene you don't know and they walk off, let them walk off unless you want to potentially escalate the situation and unless you're prepared to deal with that excalation - we don't live in a fun fuzzy world where it's easy or indeed your entitelment to tell somoene off who offends or upsets you
it is when you already know the man to be argumentative.
to be honest though it's a pointless story to try and debate, we know virtually nothing of what was said between the 2 men. we can debate all we want but without full knowledge of the conversation there's not really a lot to discuss, all we know is 2 dudes talked to each other in a rather lively manner and 1 ended up dead.
no one deserves to be stabbed (well for the most part no one ) but the victim had no business following the other dude irrespective of what the 'he did nothing wrong/wasn't aggressive/he's entitled to give him a piece of his mind' folk think. if you get into a heated exchange with somoene you don't know and they walk off, let them walk off unless you want to potentially escalate the situation and unless you're prepared to deal with that excalation - we don't live in a fun fuzzy world where it's easy or indeed your entitelment to tell somoene off who offends or upsets you. as my auld fella told me years ago - don't tell someone to **** off unless your prepared to physically make them **** off or deal with the consequences of telling them to **** off. (i'm not saying the victim told the other dude to **** off but the idea is the same)
i suppose it could be argued the victims actions were aggravating rather than aggressive but that's for the lawyers to sortKnowing the man is argumentative doesn't mean that your objection to his behaviour is now aggressive
sadly that's very true.Some people aren't as streetwise as me and you!
Stabbing a man that hasn't attempted to harm you 18 times is not self defence!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-48786426Home Office pathologist Dr Olaf Biedrzycki told the court Mr Pomeroy had died from just one of the 18 stab wounds inflicted on him.
He said the 6cm-deep wound to the neck had cut the jugular vein and the carotid artery, but that "with very prompt treatment, you could reasonably [have expected] him to recover" from the other 17 wounds.
Whilst no lawyer I'm thinking its clean cut murder, unless he has a decent legal team.
Murder requires an intention to kill someone. The guy was walking away from him.
If you bumped in to someone by accident on a train, and he was a foot taller than you, and a bigger guy all round, he started arguing with you making it an issue. You walked away and he kept following you carrying it on, squaring up to you, towering over you.. wouldn't you feel your physical safety was under threat?
That would never wash in the UK legal system. You cant stab someone to death because they're bigger than you and being a meanie.
Murder requires an intention to kill someone. The guy was walking away from him.
So you are saying that he intended to just injure him by stabbing him 18 times? Right OK...