Something super is coming...

robfosters · 30 Jun 2019 at 12:22

LoadsaMoney said:
Have you seen the x570 pricing

Certainly have, I’m gonna pay it though. I’ll stomach it as my builds last me over 5 years normally.

melmac · 30 Jun 2019 at 12:38

Brazo said:
No confusion here

Check the Timespy benchmark thread if you want to see the non super 2070 beating ‘stock’ 1080ti’s

Or in games https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia-rtx-2070-vs-gtx-1080-ti-performance-benchmarks?amp

LOL What, did you even read the article you linked to?

That's a heavily factory overclocked 2070 costing $600, which they further overclock to just barely match the 1080Ti.

Here is a quote from that article.

It’s still not a cut-and-dried case, I admit. Without a manual overclock pushing power and thermal limits to the max, the 2070 can’t match the performance of a stock 1080 Ti.

FoxEye · 30 Jun 2019 at 13:28

And the 1080Ti when overclocked itself will pull away out of sight.

It's always so ridiculous when you see a max OC card vs stock. Either compare stock vs stock or max OC vs max OC.

Anything else is just not a real-world comparison.

Esp when these OC cards tend to charge such a premium that you're knocking on the door of the stock card one tier up anyhow...

Brazo · 30 Jun 2019 at 13:29

melmac said:
LOL What, did you even read the article you linked to?

That's a heavily factory overclocked 2070 costing $600, which they further overclock to just barely match the 1080Ti.

Here is a quote from that article.

Did you read my post?

Of course I know that.

I also mentioned the timespy thread where boggo 2070’s beat yes beat a stock 1080ti. Did you miss that bit?

Brazo · 30 Jun 2019 at 13:31

FoxEye said:
And the 1080Ti when overclocked itself will pull away out of sight.

It's always so ridiculous when you see a max OC card vs stock. Either compare stock vs stock or max OC vs max OC.

Anything else is just not a real-world comparison.

Esp when these OC cards tend to charge such a premium that you're knocking on the door of the stock card one tier up anyhow...

Yes I think I made that point too.

Let me spell it out for you. It will be disappointing if the new super 2070 matches a 1080ti when the incumbent already does.

melmac · 30 Jun 2019 at 13:44

Brazo said:
Did you read my post?

Of course I know that.

I also mentioned the timespy thread where boggo 2070’s beat yes beat a stock 1080ti. Did you miss that bit?

Yes, I read your post, you posted a link to the pcgamesn website as proof that the 2070 is faster than the 1080ti in games.

Timespy? Who gives a flying monkey's about timespy?

In the real world of gaming, the 2070 does not come close to a stock 1080Ti without been pushed to its limits.

melmac · 30 Jun 2019 at 13:45

Brazo said:
Yes I think I made that point too.

Let me spell it out for you. It will be disappointing if the new super 2070 matches a 1080ti when the incumbent already does.

No you didn't make that point at all.

And let me spell it out for you. The current 2070 does not match a 1080Ti.

Kaapstad · 30 Jun 2019 at 14:54

Brazo said:
Yes I think I made that point too.

Let me spell it out for you. It will be disappointing if the new super 2070 matches a 1080ti when the incumbent already does.

Overclocked 1080 Ti v overclocked 2070, the Pascal card is about 12% or 13% faster.

Kaapstad · 30 Jun 2019 at 14:55

This thread is too much for me, I am going to cut the lawn. :eek:

FoxEye · 30 Jun 2019 at 15:12

Kaapstad said:
This thread is too much for me, I am going to cut the lawn.

It's hot out there. I've just come in to cool down!

Reality|Bites · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:03

Instead of bickering about what's the better card how about just having fun with what you own and play some games? If at some point the games you want to play don't perform on medium settings then that would be the point to buy a new card

Reality|Bites · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:04

Oh I forgot you guys didn't buy these cards to play games did you?

aoaaron · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:18

I wonder if the Super release will do anything to the general high end value for money marker.

At present, surely the best buy for anyone wanting to do 4k gaming is 1080ti for £450 second hand. I wonder if the RTX 2080s with the supers release will break the £600 mark or not.

melmac · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:22

Reality|Bites said:
Instead of bickering about what's the better card how about just having fun with what you own and play some games? If at some point the games you want to play don't perform on medium settings then that would be the point to buy a new card

Reality|Bites said:
Oh I forgot you guys didn't buy these cards to play games did you?

You know the whole you trying to sound smarter than everyone else and trying to put us down with irony/sarcasm.

Yeah?

Well, Epic fail.

adrichardson81 · 30 Jun 2019 at 19:27

aoaaron said:
I wonder if the Super release will do anything to the general high end value for money marker.

At present, surely the best buy for anyone wanting to do 4k gaming is 1080ti for £450 second hand. I wonder if the RTX 2080s with the supers release will break the £600 mark or not.

If Nvidia stay true to form, watch the 1080TI start taking a mysterious performance hit in newer games... That said, I still think it's a bit early to go 4k considering HDMI 2.1 displays are just around the corner (so potentially better HDR implementations and VRR).

TNA · 30 Jun 2019 at 20:02

Kaapstad said:
This thread is too much for me, I am going to cut the lawn.

I got my nephew to do mine

Can't imagine this thread being super interesting for you anyway Kaaps. Like me your next card will likely be a 7nm 3000 series RTX card.

Squid Vicious · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:01

Gotta say I'm quite interested in the new 2070 as a replacement for a 980ti - if it comes in around £500 i.e. similar price to current 2070 but with a reasonable uplift in performance.
Figure not going to see any next gen stuff from nividia until Q3/4 next year now and Navi only looking to compete in the mid-range so have pretty limited options.

I'm on a gsync monitor which I'm in no hurry to replace and have a growing catalog of games that could benefit so may grudgingly give Nvidia some more monies... :eek:

Mindyou, only 200 posts off access to the MM so could always take a 1080ti if the secondhand prices drop a little further... As always such a dilemma :rolleyes:

robfosters · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:09

Squid Vicious said:
Gotta say I'm quite interested in the new 2070 as a replacement for a 980ti - if it comes in around £500 i.e. similar price to current 2070 but with a reasonable uplift in performance.
Figure not going to see any next gen stuff from nividia until Q3/4 next year now and Navi only looking to compete in the mid-range so have pretty limited options.

I'm on a gsync monitor which I'm in no hurry to replace and have a growing catalog of games that could benefit so may grudgingly give Nvidia some more monies...
Mindyou, only 200 posts off access to the MM so could always take a 1080ti if the secondhand prices drop a little further... As always such a dilemma

I tend to buy my graphics cards second hand now. Just so much more value. Especially if you don’t want cutting edge.

aoaaron · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:56

adrichardson81 said:
If Nvidia stay true to form, watch the 1080TI start taking a mysterious performance hit in newer games... That said, I still think it's a bit early to go 4k considering HDMI 2.1 displays are just around the corner (so potentially better HDR implementations and VRR).

I'm so torn. On one hand, I really want to build a second rig but the new GPU prices just seem insane.

I'm not sure whether its smart now to buy a second hand 1080ti or wait for the dust to settle. I think I can get a 2080ti for £400. I can claim VAT back on a graphics card I get so I'm wondering if Nvidia will offer anything around the £500 price range in the next couple of months which will match it (seems like a crazy question I know given how much 1080tis released for nearly 2 years ago).

edit: meant 2080ti for 400.

justwondering · 30 Jun 2019 at 22:35

aoaaron said:
I'm so torn. On one hand, I really want to build a second rig but the new GPU prices just seem insane.

I'm not sure whether its smart now to buy a second hand 1080ti or wait for the dust to settle. I think I can get a 2080ti for £400. I can claim VAT back on a graphics card I get so I'm wondering if Nvidia will offer anything around the £500 price range in the next couple of months which will match it (seems like a crazy question I know given how much 1080tis released for nearly 2 years ago).

£400 is a great price for a 2080ti, I thought I had done well at £550 for my MSI 2080ti Duke...

Just be aware if you don't buy your 2nd hand card from a VAT registered company / business you cannot claim any VAT back, but as a business you can write the card off as a business expense, perhaps you could use the 2080ti to display your accounts on your monitor....