You see here is the problem. You assume that someone will only donate money, if it benefits them or their own country....
Outrage over RNLI overseas spending
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You see here is the problem. You assume that someone will only donate money, if it benefits them or their own country....
I find it bizarre that someone can think that the RNLI only get donations from people living in the UK and British people. The Panje Project clearly demonstrates that they have very wealthy donors who have an interest in them doing international work to save lives, which is nothing but a good thing.
Perhaps he wouldn't have advocated the same if there wasn't enough money in the kitty to keep the UK operation fully staffed tho.
Isn't the idea that he'd automatically be in favour of this... hmm... a little simplistic?
Let me just remind you that they cut 100 UK staff because they had a funding shortfall.
So all this talk about foreign donors making massive donations somewhat flies in the face of the actually on-the-ground outcome, which we know to be true.
Perhaps he wouldn't have advocated the same if there wasn't enough money in the kitty to keep the UK operation fully staffed tho.
Isn't the idea that he'd automatically be in favour of this... hmm... a little simplistic?
No, the simplistic idea, is thinking that just because some jobs were cut in this country, it means they must shut down their international operations.
As we now know, like with the Panje Project, this likely means they would lose some wealthy donors. Wealthy donors who no doubt have a network of wealthy friends who could become potential patrons as well.
It is 2%. How do you know that their donations wouldn't drop by that (or more) if they pulled out of all international projects and had no international presence?
Did you even read the link i posted?
We currently spend less than 2% of the RNLI’s total annual expenditure on our international drowning prevention activity and we actively seek donations specifically for this work, including the Isle of Man’s International Development Fund and Department for International Development in the UK, both of which have made substantial donations to our international work this year. Providing the very best search and rescue service in the UK and Ireland remains our priority but we are also proud to use our expertise, knowledge and influence to help others save lives across the world, particularly in countries where drowning rates are high.
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No you're making out that I made a generalisation when I didn't.
You live in a first world country generally have it great and therefore if a natural disaster happens in a poorer country, people donate solely for the benefit of people in the other country. This is obvious with live aid and all the natural disasters recently.
The idea that this will work the other way is pretty laughable, how many people in Africa donate to homeless charities in the UK? Undoubtedly homeless people in the UK have a crap time, but they've got enough on their plate as it is and they probably think that it's a problem for the UK to deal with.
"You see here is the problem" you're not looking at the specific case of money being donated from a poorer country into Britain, it's just not going to happen.
If the RNLI wants to completely change it's raison d'etre and be a charity that works as an international lifeboat charity then I fully accept that it would receive donations from all over the place, but it's not. As has been pointed out in this thread 98% of it's funding is spent on helping the British, why would a French person donate £1, 2p of which could potentially help people off the french coast? The same question with Americans, Brazilians, Australians, Somalians, Chinese? The answer is they wouldn't.
Not everyone in these "poorer countries" is poor. They will have very wealthy people as well, some of which might be looking at charities to donate to.
It is highly likely that these people will see the work being done internationally by the RNLI in Zanzibar or Bangledesh to save children and donate towards that effort. This is why an international presence is important. You can potentially attract more donations from far and wide.
You have an incredibly simplistic view of the world if you think that no one from a different country donates anything towards another country's charity.
And you have a simplistic level of reading comprehension.
Why is a Frenchman going to donate to the RNLI instead of the SNSM?
Why is a German going to donate to the RNLI instead of the DGzRS?
I can go on...
Why does it have to be French or German?
Why are you being that obtuse?
I'm using it as examples.
Here I'm going to explain it for you really simply
Why is a <person from country X> going to donate to the RNLI instead of the <lifeboat charity within their own country>?
Or if there isn't one within their own country an international charity, not the RNLI in which 2% of what they donate will go to international aid.
Good lord it isn't difficult.
The RNLI are doing international projects in Bangladesh for example. A wealthy Bangledeshi philanthropist sees this and thinks the work that the RNLI are doing is great and wants to get involved in what they do. He therefore donates a large sum every year to help them.
Even in your example, yes a decent French person may read about what the RNLI is doing internationally to help save children from drowning and want to donate money to help them.
It happens. Some people are decent.
A rich bangladeshi is going to donate a million pounds to a charity in which £980,000 of which will be spent within Britain?
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Also lol @ the idea that donating to the RNLI from abroad is 'decent'.
That's great and laudable, so why does the RNLI not make a big deal about this kid of charitable work?
There's nothing on their websites front page, you have dig down a few clicks to find that info and many people won't bother with digging.
Be proud of the good causes you aspire to support.
Why wouldn't the Bangladeshi donate to the IMRF?
Come on how do you not see how ridiculous your premise is.
A rich bangladeshi is going to donate a million pounds to a charity in which £980,000 of which will be spent within Britain?
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Also lol @ the idea that donating to the RNLI from abroad is 'decent'.
Again, you see it all too simplistically. Please read this:
https://rnli.org/news-and-media/2019/september/15/information-about-the-rnlis-international-work
"The RNLI have been involved in the Panje Project with the majority of the RNLI’s involvement funded by a donor who specifically wanted the money to go towards this project."
"We currently spend less than 2% of the RNLI’s total annual expenditure on our international drowning prevention activity and we actively seek donations specifically for this work, including the Isle of Man’s International Development Fund and Department for International Development in the UK, both of which have made substantial donations to our international work this year. Providing the very best search and rescue service in the UK and Ireland remains our priority but we are also proud to use our expertise, knowledge and influence to help others save lives across the world, particularly in countries where drowning rates are high."
People are donating specific funds for these specific projects, and the RNLI is getting donations from the department for international development to fund them as well.
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If people want to donate to the RNLI then they are expecting a certain place the money is being donated too i.e. life boats for sea rescue around the British coast.
I don't give to this charity but if I did I'd stop it too. It's misled people.
I don't give to this charity but if I did I'd stop it too. It's misled people.
No it hasn't. It has always made it very clear that a small percentage of its overall funding goes to international projects.
https://rnli.org/what-we-do
https://rnli.org/support-us/how-your-support-helps/where-your-money-goes
These international projects are funded by individual donors/philanthropists and the Isle of Man’s International Development Fund and Department for International Development
https://rnli.org/support-us/give-money/philanthropy
"We currently spend less than 2% of the RNLI’s total annual expenditure on our international drowning prevention activity and we actively seek donations specifically for this work, including the Isle of Man’s International Development Fund and Department for International Development in the UK, both of which have made substantial donations to our international work this year"
https://rnli.org/news-and-media/2019/september/15/information-about-the-rnlis-international-work
It is important to educate yourself on the facts.
They must have been livid when they found out their money helped saved a child.