The OcUK Relationship Counselling and Hugs Thread

You could always just talk to women with the assumption that they like you until proven otherwise, because why wouldn't they?
This TBH. For me, I can mould that into confidence. I'm confident that whatever happens I'll be alright. I'm confident that if she's into me, I'm up for it. I'm confident that if she just wants to be friends, I still enjoy getting to know her (albeit interest will drop off if I was after more).

You don't have to be arrogant to be self-assured and calmly confident. It just means doing what you want.
 
The problem wasn't that you fell for her too quickly, it's that you expressed that to her. You can't directly tell a girl you like her before she does the same, otherwise they just lose interest, they've won - no challenge. It sounds stupid but that's just how women work, they need to feel like they're doing the chasing a bit, if you make it too easy they're not interested - where as men like to be direct and to the point.

As a woman I disagree with this statement. I think it very much varies person to person & ultimately depends on what they're really after. Sounds to me like she wasn't looking for any kind of commitment/anything serious. If that is the case, it's nothing on JonnyT, just a difference of desires and I'd try not let that knock your confidence.

If you want to get in better shape etc etc, do those things because you want them for you and not for someone else.
 
Completely agree with @PixieLandGirl

I had a guy years ago who was quite expressive early on as to the fact that he liked me. He was the one pushing for dates in a short space of time, said he was excited at the thought to get to know me, would text me when he wanted to rather than playing the usual "game" that a lot of people do.

It was actually quite refreshing to have a guy not appear scared to say how he felt.

(And no it wasnt me who freaked out and ended it. That was him, weirdly)

It's difficult sometimes to know when to tell someone how much you like them as everyone is different.
 
I think the above is true, but it's important to express the fact you have strong feelings in a way that conveys self respect.

I can imagine it's easy to confess feelings in a manner that would make someone appear a little desperate and needy, especially if it's only after a few encounters. I know I've fallen foul of this without fully realizing until later on.

If you're clear and up front about it, and are prepared to walk away if you don't get the answer you want, then it may end up saving you some time over going for a few more dates and having to decode cryptic clues only to be left wondering.
 
If I like a girl I don't need to tell her, my actions will make that obvious, at no point does expressing my outright adoration of her make the relationship more likely to succeed, especially in the first few months - you're more likely to just scare them off. You get way more success by teasing it a bit or using a bit of subtext to say that you like them.
 
I asked my (now ex) girlfriend to move out week or so ago. I feel bad as she's young and doesn't earn a huge amount, but I've been getting increasingly frustrated with the relationship and I saw no other way out. I've been unhappy for over a year and I just never had the balls to raise it properly. We had a massive row back in April time and I started getting Alopecia in my beard around my jawline. I put it down to stress from moving jobs however now I realise it's most likely stress as I've been in a relationship with someone I didn't want to be with. When times were good they were really good but ultimately I think the 10 year age gap wasn't helping plus we really don't have much in common apart from watching football or going out for drinks. Beyond that there was little connection or chemistry.

I had doubts before she moved in, I should have nipped it in the bud then. I don't feel sad about the relationship ending, I feel happy and in a way a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I've found fresh motivation about myself, I've started going back to the gym, I'm doing more around the house and I feel less knackered. The only thing I feel bad about really is that I think she is upset by it all, but I also don't think she's been happy from speaking to mutual friends so it's for the best of us in the long run. Just have to deal with the waves of emotion that will come now but I've been here before so I know what to expect.

She's moved in with some mutual friends in the short term. Although most of her stuff is in the house I've paid her rent back for this month as she will need it more than me. I'm happy things are amicable but I wonder how long that will last. I've also offered to pay for the deposit on a flat and the search fees if she wants but I've made it clear I will want the money back some time. To put things into perspective, she earns less than £20k and I'm well into the high rate tax bracket. I just don't want her to feel like she's been kicked out onto the streets with no help as that's not the case. I know I should probably cut all ties but it's been amicable so far and I would feel really guilty if I didn't offer to help her.

I'm not really sure what I expect from this post, I guess I just needed somewhere to vent a little.
 
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I've also offered to pay for the deposit on a flat and the search fees if she wants but I've made it clear I will want the money back some time. To put things into perspective, she earns less than £20k and I'm well into the high rate tax bracket. I just don't want her to feel like she's been kicked out onto the streets with no help as that's not the case. I know I should probably cut all ties but it's been amicable so far and I would feel really guilty if I didn't offer to help her.

For goodness sake do not 'lend' her money, you won't get it back. You don't owe her anything. Unless you're married and you're getting divorced.
 
I asked my (now ex) girlfriend to move out week or so ago. I feel bad as she's young and doesn't earn a huge amount, but I've been getting increasingly frustrated with the relationship and I saw no other way out. I've been unhappy for over a year and I just never had the balls to raise it properly. We had a massive row back in April time and I started getting Alopecia in my beard around my jawline. I put it down to stress from moving jobs however now I realise it's most likely stress as I've been in a relationship with someone I didn't want to be with. When times were good they were really good but ultimately I think the 10 year age gap wasn't helping plus we really don't have much in common apart from watching football or going out for drinks. Beyond that there was little connection or chemistry.

I had doubts before she moved in, I should have nipped it in the bud then. I don't feel sad about the relationship ending, I feel happy and in a way a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. I've found fresh motivation about myself, I've started going back to the gym, I'm doing more around the house and I feel less knackered. The only thing I feel bad about really is that I think she is upset by it all, but I also don't think she's been happy from speaking to mutual friends so it's for the best of us in the long run. Just have to deal with the waves of emotion that will come now but I've been here before so I know what to expect.

She's moved in with some mutual friends in the short term. Although most of her stuff is in the house I've paid her rent back for this month as she will need it more than me. I'm happy things are amicable but I wonder how long that will last. I've also offered to pay for the deposit on a flat and the search fees if she wants but I've made it clear I will want the money back some time. To put things into perspective, she earns less than £20k and I'm well into the high rate tax bracket. I just don't want her to feel like she's been kicked out onto the streets with no help as that's not the case. I know I should probably cut all ties but it's been amicable so far and I would feel really guilty if I didn't offer to help her.

I'm not really sure what I expect from this post, I guess I just needed somewhere to vent a little.

You did the right thing if you wasn't happy. She's not your girlfriend anymore or a close family member so shes not your responsibility.

As harsh as it may seem, if you move into another person house then you should take full responsibility if something happens and you need to move out. You shouldn't offer to help her, regardless of what she earns, they are an adult and should be standing on their own two feet.
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.
 
She's moved in with some mutual friends in the short term.

So she's not homeless.

I've also offered to pay for the deposit on a flat and the search fees if she wants but I've made it clear I will want the money back some time.

Don't. Just, don't... Unless you can afford to lose it, why even bother?

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.

If you message her she's gotten to the better of you. It won't change anything and you'll come off looking worse. Like the photo and move on - or delete her on the relevant social media platforms, or both. Why people keep their ex's on their social media feeds is beyond me.
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.

Don't rise up to it, you will loose the battle and she be there feeling smug.
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.

Block on social. It will do you or the situation no good to send that.
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.

Best to block her, it won't help the way your feeling if you keep seeing pics or clicking her profile to see what your seeing.... I was in the same place a few years back... My ex left me and got with someone else more or less straight away, she was what I thought the love of my life... It ripped me apart and I'd spend most nights crying and locking myself away...

It beats you up inside but it makes you so much stronger especially if your able to block her out, I'm actually in a much better position now than I would've been with her I can guarantee

Keep your head high mate.. If you need a chat to take your mind of it then give me a message
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.

Why are you seeing photos of your ex doing anything?

Cut her completely out of your life. If friends bring up the topic, ask them to stop talking about it. Tell them not to show pictures to you.

She's gone out of your life, let go and forget about her. Whatever she's feeling, whatever her intentions - they are no longer your problem.
 
I'm really struggling to comprehend my ex and the photos I seen of her with another person so soon after we split. Its selfish not to want to wish her happiness and I'm trying not to feel bitter.

Part of me wants to message her telling her that if it's a reaction she wanted then she got one and it has levelled me.
Why post pictures of somewhere I go climbing her a new man so soon after? That's what I cannot comprehend. I wouldn't send it as it would be embarrassing to do so, I wouldn't even know if she's blocked me and won't even see it and it would give her satisfaction but so much of me wants to.

This weekend has been rough trying to find ways to take my mind off it. Fighting sleep from waking up thinking about her.

You. Don't. Matter. To. Her.

She's just showing her new guy off to her friends. Unless she's now blaming you for "wasting the best years of her life" (because women can be prone to being revisionist about their past relationships), and wants to have a dig at you.

You are just better off blocking her and ignoring everything. She checked out of the relationship months ago when she started pursuing this other guy, she's had months more time to get over the ending of the relationship than you have. Just find other things to occupy your time and your thoughts, and don't dwell on someone who is now in the past. You have to look to your future.
 
Why are you seeing photos of your ex doing anything?

Cut her completely out of your life. If friends bring up the topic, ask them to stop talking about it. Tell them not to show pictures to you.

She's gone out of your life, let go and forget about her. Whatever she's feeling, whatever her intentions - they are no longer your problem.

This is exactly right. I'm being selfish for expecting her to feel how I am. It is me with the problem of bot being able to let go not her. She doesn't owe me an explanation or have to even think about me now the relationship is over.

I got told from a friend there were pictures online. She was/is my sisters close friend so she even has my mum an gran etc on her Facebook. I stupidly asked my mum to show me the photo after I had been told about it.

So many questions rack through my brain though. I just feel totally lost at the moment and any attempt to go out and take my mind off it I just end up thinking more and can't actually enjoy what I'm doing which makes me feel like I'm trying to fake happiness.

Thank you for the kind words everyone. I'll get there eventually I'll have to, just not ashamed to say this has really levelled me because I truly loved her despite us not working.
 
This is exactly right. I'm being selfish for expecting her to feel how I am. It is me with the problem of bot being able to let go not her. She doesn't owe me an explanation or have to even think about me now the relationship is over.

I got told from a friend there were pictures online. She was/is my sisters close friend so she even has my mum an gran etc on her Facebook. I stupidly asked my mum to show me the photo after I had been told about it.

So many questions rack through my brain though. I just feel totally lost at the moment and any attempt to go out and take my mind off it I just end up thinking more and can't actually enjoy what I'm doing which makes me feel like I'm trying to fake happiness.

Thank you for the kind words everyone. I'll get there eventually I'll have to, just not ashamed to say this has really levelled me because I truly loved her despite us not working.

You will sit there and think of many questions for sure, you'll never know the answer to these questions and you'll end up beating yourself up more for someone who really doesn't care about how you feel clearly.... Its a horrible feeling for sure but it's best to shut it all down early and look forward
 
This is exactly right. I'm being selfish for expecting her to feel how I am. It is me with the problem of bot being able to let go not her. She doesn't owe me an explanation or have to even think about me now the relationship is over.

I got told from a friend there were pictures online. She was/is my sisters close friend so she even has my mum an gran etc on her Facebook. I stupidly asked my mum to show me the photo after I had been told about it.

So many questions rack through my brain though. I just feel totally lost at the moment and any attempt to go out and take my mind off it I just end up thinking more and can't actually enjoy what I'm doing which makes me feel like I'm trying to fake happiness.

Thank you for the kind words everyone. I'll get there eventually I'll have to, just not ashamed to say this has really levelled me because I truly loved her despite us not working.

You just have to keep doing things to take your mind off of it. At the moment you aren't going to enjoy them. But if you keep doing it, eventually you'll smile for a minute, then two minutes and eventually you'll forget about her for the whole time and will enjoy yourself. You need to build yourself a new life without her in it, new experiences, new memories.

Nobody expects you to forget about her and move on in a matter of days, but you can definitely help yourself. Asking your Mum to show you photos is just utterly stupid though, it has no benefit except to hurt you. Try to remember that next time you want to ask. No good can come from it AT ALL.

(I am being blunt with my words, but honestly you have my total sympathy - I'm using the tough love approach).
 
You just have to keep doing things to take your mind off of it. At the moment you aren't going to enjoy them. But if you keep doing it, eventually you'll smile for a minute, then two minutes and eventually you'll forget about her for the whole time and will enjoy yourself. You need to build yourself a new life without her in it, new experiences, new memories.

Nobody expects you to forget about her and move on in a matter of days, but you can definitely help yourself. Asking your Mum to show you photos is just utterly stupid though, it has no benefit except to hurt you. Try to remember that next time you want to ask. No good can come from it AT ALL.
I know what you're going through @Jonnybmac - essentially where you are now is where I was a couple of years ago. It hurts, but it's not like any physical pain you've ever had.

ci_newman's post (quoted) is exactly right. It's critical that you deliberately do things that a) take your mind off your situation and b) if possible, for those things to be unconnected with activities you may have once done with your ex. Keep contact to an absolute minimum, or avoid it altogether if possible - I wasn't able to do this as much as I'd have liked, as we had to discuss what was happening with our jointly-owned house.

Reconnect with your family and friends. It's easy for these to take a back seat when you enthusiastically throw yourself into a flourishing relationship - I learnt recently that my own family always felt they were playing the proverbial 'second fiddle' to my wife's family ... that really hurt to find that out, as it wasn't intentional.

Use your time to explore new hobbies - in my case, going to the gym did wonders for my confidence and gave an outlet for the anger and frustration I was feeling. One of my family members still tells me to this day that it "saved your life", which when I thought about it, wasn't such an exaggeration. I'm now also taking up music again - I say 'again' as it was nearly 30 years ago that I last dabbled with writing my own.

What you are feeling is 100% natural and don't beat yourself up about it. If you feel the need to cry, don't feel ashamed about it - scream the bloody house down if it helps ... point is, don't bottle anything up, find a way of letting it out.

This last point might be a little contentious in light of the ill-judged rant I posted the other day (posted in anger and which I regret), but don't ever feel like less of a person because you haven't got a girlfriend - I don't know how old you are, but I'll assume between 20-30 for the sake of argument - there is so much more to life. The relationship of mine that ended a couple of years ago began when I was in my early 20s and with hindsight, it stopped me doing a lot of the mad stuff that most people do at that age. Hell, I only smoked weed for the first time last summer at the age of 49.

I'll be honest, at the age of 50 I've become so cynical about the whole relationships thing, I'm pretty close to being full-on MGTOW - please don't follow that example.
 
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