Police dealing with incident on London Bridge amid reports of shots fired

Sad times and glad some members of the public have guts these days - good job apprehending the ******s.
That aside, and I'm not one for wearing a tinfoil hat, but the proximity to an important general election with our EU membership at state is a bit concerning. Reminder about immigration and all that....
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Bit like the 99% innocent muslims that were celebrating when the two towers went down
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do_ron_ron said:
Not this lot of BS again. The TV station in the US got slated for this as it was civilians celebrating after election results in the West Bank. The TV station had to apologise for the piece. It seems some people would rather use a lie than the truth. Shame on you.
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Exactly that
 
DarrenM343 said:
That aside, and I'm not one for wearing a tinfoil hat, but the proximity to an important general election with our EU membership at state is a bit concerning. Reminder about immigration and all that....
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I'm glad other people see this, but why do we live in this world where you have to believe what you are told and follow orders, yet if you dare question authority, or even question the narrative, you're a "conspiracy theorist" a "nut job" "insane"?
 
esmozz said:
It certainly sounded like they fired two or three shots in rapid sucession. I believe all armed police (AFOs, C019 or regional firearms units) are all trained to shoot for the head or upper body mass. If they fire a shot it is for the sole purpose of killing the person they are shooting at. I don't believe they shot him and waited to see if he calmed down a bit, I suspect they shot him till he was dead.
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Standard use of lethal force by police in the UK is shoot to stop (centre mass). There are tactics in place for dealing with subjects believed to be equipped with explosive vests or similar devices (e.g. Op Kratos). It's obviously understood however that the use of lethal force will potentially result in a lethal outcome.


Jokester said:
Indeed, that's why I find it questionable that the police then allowed the guy to become completely un-restrained again before shooting him.
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What's the alternative? Pile on top of him while he potentially attempts to detonate himself? The priority in that situation is to stop the threat, preservation of life becomes secondary. There are plenty of examples in other parts of the world where suicide vests or additional IEDs are detonated only after police/paramedics etc arrive on scene in order to inflict additional collateral damage.

Jokester said:
Allowing terrorists the easy way out by suicide by police rather than putting them to court is what they want.
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That may be true, but the police can't design their tactics around that. The "easy way out" also happens to be the most effective way to end the threat.

You're offering a lot of criticism but not a lot of practical alternative solutions.
 
Freakbro said:
I don't think that's true. You can never stop every random attack, but they
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do_ron_ron said:
Not this lot of BS again. The TV station in the US got slated for this as it was civilians celebrating after election results in the West Bank. The TV station had to apologise for the piece. It seems some people would rather use a lie than the truth. Shame on you.
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Posted by cnn not a left news outlet
https://youtu.be/j7TfLPgZQGQ

So quit trying to get your I'm a cultured person points.

I just love how you cant criticize islam at any point.

It's like it's not robust enough to have any form of criticism.

People blow up school girls at a concert, not islam
People stab people in the street shouting god is great, not islam
People push gay men off roof tops, not islam
People rape underage girls, not islam


What exactly is islam then? Cos from multiple sources it doesnt seem to be all that peace loving

Oh and I feel the same way about christianity, Hinduism, Hebrew and any other form of religion.

If we had a new cult that was responsible or atleast its members quoted it while committing such heinous acts it would be banned.
But people tend to bend over backwards to forgive anything that a member of islam does to the point where we have people arguing that someone that just killed 2 people and is wearing a sucide vest should have there live saved.

It's like living in the twilight zone where no one wants to recognize the freaking the bright pink and yellow polka dotted elephant break dancing in the corner
 
DarrenM343 said:
Sad times and glad some members of the public have guts these days - good job apprehending the ******s.
That aside, and I'm not one for wearing a tinfoil hat, but the proximity to an important general election with our EU membership at state is a bit concerning. Reminder about immigration and all that....
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TBH we just need to relocate London bridge to Canning.

Abraxaz1 said:
I just love how you cant criticize islam at any point.
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You can, but you might get murdered.
 
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Jasoncmor said:
I'm glad other people see this, but why do we live in this world where you have to believe what you are told and follow orders, yet if you dare question authority, or even question the narrative, you're a "conspiracy theorist" a "nut job" "insane"?
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I know.
Probably just a coincidence and I'm not thinking about our government being involved, more likely that there are nations that want to interfere with countries and have an interest in Brexit happening, in the hope of the EU breaking apart......
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
Posted by cnn not a left news outlet
https://youtu.be/j7TfLPgZQGQ

So quit trying to get your I'm a cultured person points.

I just love how you cant criticize islam at any point.

It's like it's not robust enough to have any form of criticism.

People blow up school girls at a concert, not islam
People stab people in the street shouting god is great, not islam
People push gay men off roof tops, not islam
People rape underage girls, not islam


What exactly is islam then? Cos from multiple sources it doesnt seem to be all that peace loving

Oh and I feel the same way about christianity, Hinduism, Hebrew and any other form of religion.

If we had a new cult that was responsible or atleast its members quoted it while committing such heinous acts it would be banned.
But people tend to bend over backwards to forgive anything that a member of islam does to the point where we have people arguing that someone that just killed 2 people and is wearing a sucide vest should have there live saved.

It's like living in the twilight zone where no one wants to recognize the freaking the bright pink and yellow polka dotted elephant break dancing in the corner
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I have only posted once to correct a false allegation you made. I have never

cant criticize islam at any point.
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You have a serious problem. You sound like a member of the EDL or Britain First.
 
HEADRAT said:
Honestly you need help.

There are bad people, some of those people do
terrible things, some use religion as an “excuse”.
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And some are motivated by extreme interpretations of religion.

They're not all psychopaths who'd desire to kill regardless, some of them are well educated and are simply following a path that is logical and internally consistent within their belief system.
 
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do_ron_ron said:
I have only posted once to correct a false allegation you made. I have never



You have a serious problem. You sound like a member of the EDL or Britain First.
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Actually I'm very liberal that's why I dont like such a fascist religion, same as any other religion.

I dont under stand why liberals bend over to forgive a 12th century based set of morals.
 
TheVoice said:
Standard use of lethal force by police in the UK is shoot to stop (centre mass). There are tactics in place for dealing with subjects believed to be equipped with explosive vests or similar devices (e.g. Op Kratos). It's obviously understood however that the use of lethal force will potentially result in a lethal ....
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Op Kratos is pretty much nailed on for head shots for a suspected vest wearer.
 
HEADRAT said:
Sure I can accept that, but you can’t hold everybody accountable for a perversion of their religion that “nutters” then act out.
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No, but what I said was there mosque will celebrate, note not all islam.
There has been evidence that people in the mosque knew that the person who was going to commence the attack was either thinking about it or planning it.
Then one of the members said 99.9% of the Muslim population are against terrorism, which is a lot like a blanket response, to which I pointed out evidence to the contrary.

If you cant hold a religion against the set of morals that it holds then how can you force change? Or are we supposed to let a set of beliefs that negatively target women, homosexuals and people of different religions be allowed to continue in the 21st century?

The edl and BNP are justifiably targeted for ridicule and abuse, despite that some of its members may not be extreme. They share the exact same stances on LGBTQ members...

B
 
HEADRAT said:
Thanks, I’ve literally spat my tea down my front!
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What I agree with gay marriage, women having the same rights as men, abortions being available to women, immigration, vaccines and blood and organ donations. Can you tell me of where it states in the Koran that the above is allowed?
 
HEADRAT said:
Honestly you need help.

There are bad people, some of those people do
terrible things, some use religion as an “excuse”.
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Quite obviously not true, plenty of them carry out atrocities on non believers/"wrong" muslims/women who dare to show their face/jews/secular bloggers/gay people. Theres a pattern and its not because they are all psychopaths, but they are all religious fascists.

Its not an excuse, its the reason why the vast majority of terrorist groups in the world are Islamic, theres something seriously wrong with Islam.
 
TheVoice said:
That may be true, but the police can't design their tactics around that. The "easy way out" also happens to be the most effective way to end the threat.

You're offering a lot of criticism but not a lot of practical alternative solutions.
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They had the guy restrained - people are saying the police made the situation safe by allowing him to become unrestrained again?
 
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