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Our daughter had the same, what bath / washing powder are you using.
We switched to a organic ***** stuff and it seemed to help.
Have they given you white paraffin as well as the green tub stuff?
We usefully put a shed load of cream diprobase before bed and put on socks she cant remove. And just keep dosing her whenever we change her.
Clears up quite quickly
At the mo we're using Diprobase as per the Dr's instructions. We have used the Aveeno baby wash, and the Childs Farm wash too.
What did you say that's been starred out?
We've had several creams and emollients, not sure what the 'green tubs stuff' is though.
What did you say that's been starred out?
We've had several creams and emollients, not sure what the 'green tubs stuff' is though.
Soldato
Eczema is one of the areas the NHS is really starting to screw up and you're going to be left on your own to find out what works. Over the last few years they have and are continuing to spend millions on "clinical trials" to steer focus and severely limit what treatments are available for GP's and specialists to prescribe.
Some of the trials published so far:
Bath emollients do not work and therefore should not be prescribed: what they failed to mention is the group where it was ineffective were only bathing their kids as little as once a week, yet those who used the product 5+ a week saw a benefit, but you cannot ask a parent to bathe a child more than usual in the type of trial used therefore the product is not suitable.
Silk garments for moderate-severe eczema: Again using the garments was optional so most of the parents didn't force their kids to wear them. Half the kids only had mild eczema which the product isn't designed for, then on top of that those which had severe eczema were encouraged to use greasy blocking emollients (again not suitable) which made using the garments pointless... yet they still saw a benefit, but not enough of a benefit to recommend prescribing.
Water softeners: Used a system which softened the water for washing, but changed the ph balance causing further irritation, but the quality of the water wasn't measured or other types of softeners used which didn't affect the balance the same way.
All the above trials had serious flaws and they are refusing to publish the raw data to further analyse what went wrong, they are trying to put their own reputation (NHS funded research) ahead of patient health.
Currently they are putting emollients through the trials to see which shows the best response on an "average" patient, so a GP will be limited to a panel of 3-4 creams depending on the type of eczema to start a child on and if those don't work it's up to you to do your own trials and research to find out what works (of which the NHS will not prescribe once you find something which works because it won't be on their approved list).
Be careful when shopping around for aloe products, some cheaper creams use aloe from concentrate, others claim to use 100% fresh aloe but the percentage of aloe content could be very low.
With eczema and young children you really need to control the itch which means trying to sooth the skin and control the skin's climate. Scratch mitts do help reduce scratching which reduces the severity of the itch, but if the desire to scratch is still there it can be just as uncomfortable.
Some of the trials published so far:
Bath emollients do not work and therefore should not be prescribed: what they failed to mention is the group where it was ineffective were only bathing their kids as little as once a week, yet those who used the product 5+ a week saw a benefit, but you cannot ask a parent to bathe a child more than usual in the type of trial used therefore the product is not suitable.
Silk garments for moderate-severe eczema: Again using the garments was optional so most of the parents didn't force their kids to wear them. Half the kids only had mild eczema which the product isn't designed for, then on top of that those which had severe eczema were encouraged to use greasy blocking emollients (again not suitable) which made using the garments pointless... yet they still saw a benefit, but not enough of a benefit to recommend prescribing.
Water softeners: Used a system which softened the water for washing, but changed the ph balance causing further irritation, but the quality of the water wasn't measured or other types of softeners used which didn't affect the balance the same way.
All the above trials had serious flaws and they are refusing to publish the raw data to further analyse what went wrong, they are trying to put their own reputation (NHS funded research) ahead of patient health.
Currently they are putting emollients through the trials to see which shows the best response on an "average" patient, so a GP will be limited to a panel of 3-4 creams depending on the type of eczema to start a child on and if those don't work it's up to you to do your own trials and research to find out what works (of which the NHS will not prescribe once you find something which works because it won't be on their approved list).
Be careful when shopping around for aloe products, some cheaper creams use aloe from concentrate, others claim to use 100% fresh aloe but the percentage of aloe content could be very low.
With eczema and young children you really need to control the itch which means trying to sooth the skin and control the skin's climate. Scratch mitts do help reduce scratching which reduces the severity of the itch, but if the desire to scratch is still there it can be just as uncomfortable.
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Quick question for you chaps, out of interest can you remember roughly when your little ones started to smile? We've got a nearly 8 week old who's shown signs of doing so but hasn't yet cracked a full blown grin. The health visitor is chomping at the bit to refer us to the paeds team as it can be an early sign of autism if they haven't smiled by this point, but to me it just seems way too early to be doing so. I mean some kids walk early and some late, surely this is a similar deal in terms of development milestones differing from child to child?
Really worrying the wife, frustrating me that they seem so keen to give you rigid milestones to hit "or else"..
Really worrying the wife, frustrating me that they seem so keen to give you rigid milestones to hit "or else"..
Soldato
Most of what I've said/claimed is publicly available and also the opinion of societies trying to support people with conditions.
NES opinion on prescribing emollient and rationing: http://www.eczema.org/nhs-emollient-rationing
NES opinion on limiting bath emollients and silk garments: http://www.eczema.org/NHS-England-consultation
Clinical trials which were used to provide "evidence": SWET trial (water softeners), COMET (initial leave on emollient sample), BEE (best emollient for eczema), CLOTHES (silk garments), BATHE (bath emollient). Most of them can all be found here: https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/research/groups/cebd/projects/1eczema/index.aspx
https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x554844/when-will-my-baby-smile-for-the-first-time
Too early to be calling signs of autism IMO
Your wife has just got new-parent brain. In another month, maybe that's a point to start worrying.
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https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x554844/when-will-my-baby-smile-for-the-first-time
Too early to be calling signs of autism IMO
Cheers for this, that's exactly where I'm at with it tbh, feel like he'll do what he can when he's ready to. He was also born a few weeks early and depending on who you speak to, that can apparently play a part.
Fair play, thanks for that, I'll have a read.
Sorry to hear that @robgmun hopefully the nurse is wrong...
Our second is currently at 27+3 Weeks, shes due early March but could end up being a couple of weeks early due to some health complications my wife has suffered due to this pregnancy.
@robgmun Im sorry to hear that fella, hopefully the nurse made a mistake...
@robgmun Im sorry to hear that fella, hopefully the nurse made a mistake...
Bloody hell, I miss when Christmas was all about me. Spent 2 hours assembling a 1.2m tall doll house, at which point Riley, who NEVER wets the bed, does that and has a complete meltdown. Unconsolable screaming for an hour. She's now wide awake in our bed with Mrs Devrij watching YouTube.
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via Imgflip Meme GeneratorOk, we had another scan and it was done by the consultant this time. He really couldn't see much wrong but said it was still a possibility, and could be the baby is just messing around moving the foot around. So it seems less likely than before but we won't truly know what extent, if at all, it's twisted. I guess we only have 3 months to find out now!
Soldato
Sorry to hear you're worrying about this at a time when it should be full of excitement and happiness. Here's to a happy ending
Fingers crossed mate, hope it turns out to be nothing
Thanks RoboCod and @Devrij, but don't get me wrong we're still full of excitement and happiness and i have a positive mind about it, it's likely nothing will be wrong and even if there is, apparently there's an easy fix, just it'll be better if there's nothing to fix. I felt my baby kick for the first time today, my wife has been feeling it for weeks but today was the first time it was strong enough for me to feel it! That was brilliant to experience!Sorry to hear you're worrying about this at a time when it should be full of excitement and happiness. Here's to a happy ending
Oh and something that just happened minutes ago. We have our sister in law come over for Christmas and she has a 5 month-old. Sister-in-law asks us to look after the baby for 5 minutes. LONGEST 5 MINUTES EVER!! Immediately starts to cry while she was good as gold all day, we try to claim her down and then realized she needed a change, the wife doesn't know how to change a baby yet! I go
, both of us then try to change the baby while she's bringing down the house with her wailing, I wish I had ear defenders, wife trying to give me instruction and I can barely hear her over the wailing, it's as loud as a tube train in a tunnel, we get the diaper off, clean her, then wife put the diaper on again, then realises she put the old one on by mistake and not a new one. She almost collapse in embarrassment as the mother breezes in and fixes the situation in 30s flat.Now the wife is in the kitchen feeling like a failure and i'm laughing my arse off and the whole thing. I've claimed her down now and assured her she's not a failure and she's not going to be a terrible mother and we'll do much better when our little one is born. I'm not sure she's wholly convinced
Soldato
That's pretty funny. You'll get all kinds of things wrong and make loads of silly mistakes bringing your child up. That's half the fun, finding your own way. Don't sweat the small stuff, don't let your wife put too much expectation on herself and then inevitably feeling like a failure when she doesn't do everything perfect everytime, it's OK to be imperfect. There's a subtle difference in striving for perfection and expecting it of yourself.
However, what she is feeling is all completely normal: the feeling of pressure and expectations of being a parent.
Enjoy the ride
However, what she is feeling is all completely normal: the feeling of pressure and expectations of being a parent.
Enjoy the ride
Caporegime
All part of the fun of parenting. I see new parents day in day out trying to do everything perfectly and have the perfect baby, some of them getting utterly consumed by it. Good enough is good enough, keep them alive, fed and try to be nice to them.