"Decent" track record of safety (actually it's a pretty good track record), but this wouldn't be the first fatal crash by a 737-800, nor of the wider newer generation of 737s. They aren't common but they do happen.
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"Decent" track record of safety (actually it's a pretty good track record), but this wouldn't be the first fatal crash by a 737-800, nor of the wider newer generation of 737s. They aren't common but they do happen.
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With missiles than can reach higher than 1200ft.
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I didn't say Iran did it.
Which missiles would they be using to shoot down a Ukrainian commercial plane at 8,000 feet? And what motivation would they have for doing this?
Iran will have ground to air missiles than can hit a passenger plane at cruising altitude,maybe they would struggle against military aircraft evading and jamming but an airline is easy pickings.
So yes they can easily blow a passenger plane out of the sky at 8,000ft
Nothing to say one of the ballistic missiles managed to hit it,unlucky Indeed if that's the case.
So yes they can easily blow a passenger plane out of the sky at 8,000ft
Nothing to say one of the ballistic missiles managed to hit it,unlucky Indeed if that's the case.
Quite obviously Iran shot it down because the likelihood of a plane accidently crashing in Iran on the same night that Iran shoots 22 ballistic missiles at a US base is pretty much zero
You don't think Iran can shoot a plane down at merely 8,000 feet?! Better tell America they didn't need to spend all that money on B-2's, F-22's and F-35's then, they could just have B-52's bomb them from 10,000 feet.
You don't think Iran can shoot a plane down at merely 8,000 feet?! Better tell America they didn't need to spend all that money on B-2's, F-22's and F-35's then, they could just have B-52's bomb them from 10,000 feet.
They have dozens of weapons systems, some short range, low altitude to long range high altitude. I know it's only a Wiki article, but take your pick from any of :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Defense_Force
From the BBC
Ukraine's embassy in Tehran and Iranian state television both initially said technical issues caused the crash.
But the embassy later removed this statement and said any comment regarding the cause of the accident prior to a commission's inquiry was not official.
Ukraine's embassy in Tehran and Iranian state television both initially said technical issues caused the crash.
But the embassy later removed this statement and said any comment regarding the cause of the accident prior to a commission's inquiry was not official.
Also they wouldn't have had any motivation for doing so, but mistaken identity can certainly happen.
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One of four things happened
1) A near brand-new plane had a technical issue causing it to crash
2) Iran shot it down on purpose
3) Iran shot it down by mistake
4) America shot it down by mistake, thinking it was a military target/imminent threat.
1) A near brand-new plane had a technical issue causing it to crash
2) Iran shot it down on purpose
3) Iran shot it down by mistake
4) America shot it down by mistake, thinking it was a military target/imminent threat.
in your rush to present Obama as a poster child for peace when he clearly wasn't. Let's not lose t!
That is a complete fabrication and complete misrepresentation of what i said. What is the point in even having a conversation with you if you have to resort to that?
Also, do you have something wrong with your eye? You seem to be winking an awful lot
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How far were the launch of the missiles and the fight path of both the plane and missiles? I have no idea but I thought my understanding was that the plane came down shortly after take off. So it could be possible that the plane was accidently hit as it was taking off but I would think this is highly unlikely. That being said maybe someone here can track both the flight of the missiles and plane and work out if the timings work.
Do you think he should follow through on his threat and attack these 52 targets now?
I'm betting on No. 3 with an outside chance of No. 4, i certainly don't think it was shot down on purpose
For me options 1 and 4 seem quite unlikely.
It seems like too much of a coincidence that a plane like that, would just suddenly crash on take off, it's certainly possible - it just seems very unlikely, when you consider everything else that's going on.
As for the Americans, they have such sophisticated weapons and targeting systems, I'd be surprised if they were responsible, again it's possible, but seems very unlikely.
I'd bet on option 3 myself, perhaps a similar incident to MH17... but who knows..
I'm erring towards I think he should wait tbh... we don't have all the info/battle damage reports and can only speculate - there does seem to be some notion that his gambit has had an effect - seems even the fanatics in Iran aren't quite so suicidal. He sent the required message that the rules had changed, he's taken out some of the people behind these attacks and Iran gets to spin a token attack to an angry domestic audience made angrier still by the funeral deaths etc.. oh and now an airline.
On the other hand he's got every right to reply to it, not quite sure how much it was really a "precise" attack so much as a limited one. Question is what is Iran offering next - what assurances can we have that they aren't going to carry on launching proxy attacks in say a few weeks from now.
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Don't be ridiculous, of course they can. But where is the evidence that they did?
OK, and why would they be using these over their own airfield?
It's exactly what you said. Here's your original post in case you forgot what you wrote.
No it isn't. I didn't say he was a "poster child for peace". I was simply describing how his stance towards Iran was more diplomatic.