US kills Iran's General Soleimani

Then it was pointless.

Either they are incompetent and missed, or they are scared of what the US would do so minced around a bit. Neither are are a good message to send.

It was only for their own population, i see they're claiming they killed 80 US solders :/
 
I thought everyone here said Trump wanted WW3 and was unhinged? Guys? Whats happening? Please can anyone tell me when the war is starting and what news channel it's on? Is the Guardian aware?

I think he needs more justification for a military response and doesn't currently have it or international support for it. We'll see whether Iran take the opportunity to draw a line under it now as any loss of US / coalition service personnel I think will see a different response.
 
I think he needs more justification for a military response and doesn't currently have it or international support for it. We'll see whether Iran take the opportunity to draw a line under it now as any loss of US / coalition service personnel I think will see a different response.

Nah, Iran will just bomb someone in Brazil or Indonesia or somewhere discreet and not claim any knowledge. They've done this in the past anyway, but maybe Iran might decide that it's more beneficial to just slowly let it simmer.
 
It was never going to come to war that was just what the media wanted to you to think for the clicks.

It did seem earlier that BJ's comments about Qasem Soleimani having blood on his hands was possibly a public primmer for possible US retaliation or us being drawn further into it.
 
Not all that simple - I mean if it were then while you're at it why not just "set up another deal" to tackle the Israeli/Palestinian crisis. There are way too many overlapping and directly conflicting interests within the region between the US and its allies and Iran and its allies/funded groups among Shia populations.

The US wanted Iran to stop attacking its troops/facilities in Iraq, it seems (for now) Iran might have gotten the message.

Of course it's not that simple. It's a complex issue that needs a lot more work than just throwing missiles at each other.

On the other hand why scrap a deal that was actually dealing with one of those issues?

These latest incidents are unrelated to the nuclear deal and the deal would still be in place if Trump hadn't scrapped it.
 
so glad everyone is walking back from this for now, the regions and the world does not need another senseless war and i don't believe trump or the Iranians want war.

But iran sent a very important message back that most missed. Its missile are VERY accurate and operating any airbase or military facility within its missile ranges will be next to impossible. Iran effectively has a massive first strike and counter strike force with its large amount of accurate ballistic missiles. If you hit Iran they will hit back just as hard. The implications are for any future war, all these military facilities surrounding Iran are next to useless. A plane needs a runway to land on and maintenance facility to perform operational requirements, without those they are useless.

https://twitter.com/divert_thruster/status/1214952888386117634

Supposedly the US was tracking the missiles well in advance of them hitting and didn't bother with counter-measures - these multi-stage type medium range ballistic missiles are a fairly hittable target for anti-ballistic missile systems.
 
I think he needs more justification for a military response and doesn't currently have it or international support for it. We'll see whether Iran take the opportunity to draw a line under it now as any loss of US / coalition service personnel I think will see a different response.

Pretty much this. His allies, while saying they were not against the death of Soleimani, have made it very clear they the US shouldn't start a war over Iran's retaliation and the US house are pretty clear that they don't support a war either.

Under that pressure the White House can't really do much more unless Iran decide to continue retaliation, which they don't seem interested in.
 
And what about all the taxpayer funding through the Saudi's? Why is one good and one bad?

The reality is that Iran took advantage of the Iraq war, a war we should never have bothered with in the first place, It's hardly Iran's fault they saw a way in and used it. It's far more embarrassing for the US though, 17+ years of basically giving Iran exactly what they wanted, rid of Saddam, rid of the Sunni resistance and space to breath while they successfully infiltrate every Iraqi institution.
I must have missed where I said one was acceptable and one wasnt.
 
Of course it's not that simple. It's a complex issue that needs a lot more work than just throwing missiles at each other.

On the other hand why scrap a deal that was actually dealing with one of those issues?

These latest incidents are unrelated to the nuclear deal and the deal would still be in place if Trump hadn't scrapped it.

That "deal" allowed Iran to resume enrichment after some time frame. Assuming, for the sake of argument, that Iran followed the terms of the deal, I would say it was delaying an issue rather than dealing with it.
 
So...um...what happened to those 80 soldiers Iran killed last night?

When asked Iranian state TV couldn't provide any details on how they came by the information, so it's made up.

Problem for Iran is their citizens aren't stupid and have access to the internet. So they are going to find out.
 
I think we'll have to see whether Iran's leadership drawing a line under it will also quell their militia from taking action.
 
When asked Iranian state TV couldn't provide any details on how they came by the information, so it's made up.

Problem for Iran is their citizens aren't stupid and have access to the internet. So they are going to find out.

From what I can make out I don't think a lot of the Iranian population actually care - it is more the zealots and militias, etc.
 
Problem for Iran is their citizens aren't stupid and have access to the internet. So they are going to find out.
A lot of that will depend on how deeply they trust their own government vs 'the West'.

If they're told "the US are lying to save face and avoid fighting us, we've scared them off" I can imagine a good portion of the population would be happy to accept that.
 
A lot of that will depend on how deeply they trust their own government vs 'the West'.

If they're told "the US are lying to save face and avoid fighting us, we've scared them off" I can imagine a good portion of the population would be happy to accept that.

It's not just western media. Al Jazeera etc. are calling BS as well.
 
He didn't say they were...

Yes, but just because Al Jazeera is a Middle-East news source, doesn't make them anymore relevant than European or American sources to Iran, even if Iran isn't a completely cut off country, Iranian leaders aren't going to be annoyed that outside (enemy) sources are saying something different to domestic ones. It can all be washed away as misinformation for Iranian citizens, and the more sceptical aren't going to raise their head up over it for it to be shot off.

Ultimately it just doesn't really matter, accuracy is irrelevant to Iran, don't see why this is that important.
 
Yes, but just because Al Jazeera is a Middle-East news source, doesn't make them anymore relevant than European or American sources to Iran, even if Iran isn't a completely cut off country, Iranian leaders aren't going to be annoyed that outside (enemy) sources are saying something different to domestic ones. It can all be washed away as misinformation for Iranian citizens, and the more sceptical aren't going to raise their head up over it for it to be shot off.

Yes but, yes but, yes but.

Al Jazeera are removed from western bias and propaganda.
 
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