That is irrelevant, we're talking about a dictatorship here. All Iran has to do is say AJ is compromised and it will fall down where it should in Iran, most not caring, the hardliners eating it up.
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That is irrelevant, we're talking about a dictatorship here. All Iran has to do is say AJ is compromised and it will fall down where it should in Iran, most not caring, the hardliners eating it up.
It's completely relevant. They're an impartial news source on the matter.
Fine, sure, when Iran completely collapses off the back of Al Jazeera calling out it's ********, then i'll look like an idiot.
Then you will? That ship sailed a very long time ago.
The BS on both sides is a good thing, it keeps the home crowds happy.
For example, Trump said that if Iran retaliated then he'd order a massive response. Thankfully that didn't happen otherwise we might be at war right now.
Iran are saying that they've given the Yanks what for, whereas in reality it looks like they've deliberately missed US assets, thankfully, otherwise we might be at war right now.
BS isn't always a bad thing.
For example, Trump said that if Iran retaliated then he'd order a massive response. Thankfully that didn't happen otherwise we might be at war right now.
Iran are saying that they've given the Yanks what for, whereas in reality it looks like they've deliberately missed US assets, thankfully, otherwise we might be at war right now.
BS isn't always a bad thing.
Curiously how many news sources have you been checking outside US & UK about these events ?
Personally i took the word of the UK's own as the truth, my guess is most Iranians will believe their own and not really feel the need to look elsewhere.
I've been using al jazeera as my primary source. As I've said they have no horse in this race.
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Ummm?
BBC news just reported that western intelligence agencies are reporting that they don't believe the plane was shot down.
Of course they have a horse in this race, they're literally in the middle of it and Qatar is looking for a way out of it's own sanctioning mess. So honestly it's not surprising that they aren't regurgitating propaganda, it would not make sense to do so, even if Qatar has questionable links with Iranian interests.
Indeed there's space for misdirection if Qatar is more friendly than is suspected, but that's suspicion for the sake of it, it still matters somewhat.
Now, one could say that a timid associate nation counteracting Iranian propaganda might make a few more Iranians sceptical (I imagine a significant minority or even majority already are and have just normalised it), it won't mean anything unless it actually drives momentum against the Clergy and the Revolutionary Guard.
Indeed there's space for misdirection if Qatar is more friendly than is suspected, but that's suspicion for the sake of it, it still matters somewhat.
Now, one could say that a timid associate nation counteracting Iranian propaganda might make a few more Iranians sceptical (I imagine a significant minority or even majority already are and have just normalised it), it won't mean anything unless it actually drives momentum against the Clergy and the Revolutionary Guard.
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The timeframe was 15 years, and there would be no reason for for them to not continue a new deal after that timeframe of things didn’t change.
The deal also involved dismantling a significant chunk of their Nuclear research infrastructure.
The deal would delayed their potential enrichment program by that length.
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Trump now wants the rest of the world to pull out of Iran’s deals.
Well to be fair it's hard to keep it up now that Iran has basically stopped bothering to follow it, I guess that was the point though. Realistically though they will be trying to get Iran to fall back into line on the matter before abandoning it, to show there is a desire in diplomacy.
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Indeed. I just hope Iran doesn't strike anywhere else moving forward.
We gave up sanctions that took a lot of effort to put in place to get a promise to "delay".
I never read the whole thing, but I would be surprised if the sanctions were scheduled to go back into effect at the same time.
I don't know how anyone other than politicians who just need things to seem okay while they are in office can see such an agreement as a good thing.
It seems this "deal" just helped Iran pile up money for nuclear weapons later.
It also held out a hand for the first time in decades that maybe there was a better way to resolve issues, now that's pretty much completely dead and any ideas of moderation in Iran will be met with prejudice.
The fact is that Iran is still pulling strings in other countries, indeed they pretty much have to now as a defence against sanctions and to continue creating a buffer.
The US been trying to do so for the last couple of years.
The deal died the day the US pulled out. Since the imposition of sanctions by the US Iran has been stepping back in stages from the deal, trying to get the European members to work out a way of bypassing the US sanctions. They haven’t been able to find a way of allowing European companies to deal with Iran without being sanctioned themselves by the US, hence why Iran finally decided to give up. No point them being the only nation actually abiding by it.
The US basically reimposed the sanctions within weeks, so yes, a delay and potential scrapping of it in future if trust was formed is a good thing don’t you think?
The whole point of the deal and the actions against Iran is to delay and persuade them to eventually scrap their nuclear program. If Iran had not abided by their end of the deal then I’d be in agreement with you, but they did. The various inspection agencies and the European members of the deal were happy that Iran were following by the rules.
Instead the US broke the trust and now we’re back to square 1. Great for the war hungry hawks though and it’s likely Iran will get nuclear weapons far earlier than they would have if the deal was still in place.