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hominid said:
I said TRADITIONALLY CENTERIST.
Think about what that means before you bash at the keyboard for a moment.............

Now think back to say the 1980's or so, what was the political landscape like back then? Do you think people have moved more to the right or left since? Now do you get it? are you sure?

I haven't changed my politics in 30 years, it's everyone else, including you and neckbeard, have gone massively to the left. What was centerist, say in the 1980's, is now far right - get it now?



You've not grasped what I was meant, instead of trying to understand anothers' point of view you went off the deep end.

There is no point in voting, it's the illusion of democracy, once you get a few more years you'll see what I mean.
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Don't be a patronising prat. It doesn't help your cause.

I lived through the 70s and 80s thanks. Politics isn't that different. You had centre/left = Labour, centre/right Tories. Lib Dems/Liberals were somewhere in the middle, the Socialist Workers on the far left and BNP and the like on the far right. Society has changed in 30 years as you'd hope. Society is constantly changing which overall is a good thing. Maybe you are just stuck in the past?

I do think our electoral system needs to change. First past the post isn't very democratic. I would certainly support a different system even though it would mean you'd get a few nuts on the extreme left and right getting seats but thats democracy for you.
 
hominid said:
Fair enough, But CNN and the Washington Post? carried on the narrative for weeks even after the full video came out. It's cost CNN many millions of dollars and the Washington Post is soon to follow.

crap source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ttles-CNN-undisclosed-275million-lawsuit.html

$275,000,000 supposedly...
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That is pure guess work as these settlements are kept secret. I very much doubt it was anywhere near that amount as that is what they were asking for.

As for the WP the judge dismissed 30 or the 33 claims. We'll wait and see what happens on the other 3.
 
Jono8 said:
I dont know whether he is to be trusted or not.

He disagreed with some of it. What bits specifically? Do his findings mean he concludes that the investigation was started due to political bias?

He obviously agreed with some of the report as well. What bits specifically?

Did he disagree with the ultimate conclusion of Horowitz's report?

Who knows

Until we see them cite some actual evidence or specifics , their statements are meaningless and hard to draw any sort of conclusion from
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We do know what specifics Durham disagreed with, if you cross reference the IG reports findings on how the FBI started the case, then Durham saying he disagrees with the "report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened"

Then we can deduce that he has evidence to suggest there was political bias...
 
Trusty said:
We do know what specifics Durham disagreed with, if you cross reference the IG reports findings on how the FBI started the case, then Durham saying he disagrees with the "report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened"

Then we can deduce that he has evidence to suggest there was political bias...
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Can we?

Let me know when said evidence gets revealed or that anything comes of it....
 
Jono8 said:
Can we?

Let me know when said evidence gets revealed or that anything comes of it....
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Given the hierarchy of Durham over Horowitz, yes, its not far fetched at all. Certainly doesn't deserve the CT label you were throwing about at people who dared to question it
 
tang0 said:
https://twitter.com/BBCMonitoring/status/1232974383561441281

Ukraine launches criminal proceedings against former US Vice-President Joe Biden on allegations he pressured authorities into forcing the resignation of Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin, Interfax-Ukraine news agency reports, quoting Shokin's lawyer

It's just an alt-right flat earth alex jones conspiracy though
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Oh look, its nothing again.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0f904bdd8057_story.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Daria Kaleniuk, director of Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, said that under Ukrainian law, anyone could go to court and demand that the SBI open a case. If a court approved it, the SBI was required by law to do so, even if officials did not believe there was enough evidence.

“The fact that it was opened after a decision of the court indicates that first the SBI didn’t open this case, but the attorneys of Shokin made the SBI open this case,” she said....

“Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”
 
plasmahal said:
plenty of video evidence in the public domain.
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You can claim this till you are blue in the face but it wont make it true. There is no video evidence in the public domain that shows that Biden wanted that prosecutor fired for his or his families own personal benefit.
 
plasmahal said:
you keep saying that but they did not approve the method of blackmail.
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But the "blackmail" is just something dreamed up, with no evidence. When there is actually any evidence that Biden did this to help Burisma/his son, then it might be worth discussing. At the moment, it is just in people's heads.
 
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