AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

[TNA]

I'd imagine 6-core's time is coming to an end

Wha?? I only upgraded from my 4 Core Haswell to this 3600 not so long ago

Never seen it at 100% utilisation unless benchmarking so far

That said I will whack a 4900X in here once people start selling them for £200 or less on members market in around 2-3 years time

 

[FoxEye]

@TNA Depends if a 6-core Ryzen desktop CPU can match an 8-core console APU. And what you lose in perf if it can't. You might just have to dial down a setting or two from the XBox equivalent

I think for some here tho that would be worse than death

 

[jigger]

Wha?? I only upgraded from my 4 Core Haswell to this 3600 not so long ago

Never seen it at 100% utilisation unless benchmarking so far

That said I will whack a 4900X in here once people start selling them for £200 or less on members market in around 2-3 years time

We had 6 core chips on AM2+ it’s not like they are a new thing.

 

[Grim5]

yeah it's why I opted for a 3600X and will upgrade to a 4600X on launch.

and I'll probably have a 4950x on launch, still faster

 

[Drollic]

I do wonder just how many people actually make use of anything above 8/16 currently outside of professional use. More money, more heat and more noise for very little benefit in a lot of cases I'd guess. A bit like dropping thousands on a camera and glass to shoot jpeg or a race bike loaded with carbon when you can only spare a few hours a week to ride it comes to mind.

The sweet spot does seem to be the best possible price on 3700x for gaming. That or 3600x on deal. An upgrade to 12/24 4xxx in maybe 2 years once on deal when more relevant.

 

[Grim5]

I do wonder just how many people actually make use of anything above 8/16 currently outside of professional use. More money, more heat and more noise for very little benefit in a lot of cases I'd guess. A bit like dropping thousands on a camera and glass to shoot jpeg or a race bike loaded with carbon when you can only spare a few hours a week to ride it comes to mind.

The sweet spot does seem to be the best possible price on 3700x for gaming. That or 3600x on deal. An upgrade to 12/24 4xxx in maybe 2 years once on deal when more relevant.

Some people buy Ferraris to drive it once a week or less. It happens.

I know a guy who bought a 3970x just to play games

 

[jigger]

I do wonder just how many people actually make use of anything above 8/16 currently outside of professional use. More money, more heat and more noise for very little benefit in a lot of cases I'd guess. A bit like dropping thousands on a camera and glass to shoot jpeg or a race bike loaded with carbon when you can only spare a few hours a week to ride it comes to mind.

The sweet spot does seem to be the best possible price on 3700x for gaming. That or 3600x on deal. An upgrade to 12/24 in maybe 2 years once on deal when more relevant.

You can make value arguments for everything but, price isn’t as a big factor as it once was. 8-10 cores chips used to cost £2000, be tied to an expensive platform and difficult to cool.

Today you could build a full system with double the CPU processing power for less than the cost those chips.

 

[Drollic]

Some people buy Ferraris to drive it once a week or less. It happens.

I know a guy who bought a 3970x just to play games

Of course, although the car analogy doesn't work given you can admire the ferrari without using it and then there's the mileage issue and devaluing.

Have you seen daves ferrari yet?
Have you seen daves 12 core yet? No mate, should I?

 

[Psycho Sonny]

You can make value arguments for everything but, price isn’t as a big factor as it once was. 8-10 cores chips used to cost £2000, be tied to an expensive platform and difficult to cool.

Today you could build a full system with double the CPU processing power for less than the cost those chips.

For every £ saved on pointless cores is more £ to spend on the more important parts like gpu and monitor.

I'm still amazed at all these people who are big gamers. Running powerful cpus and gpus. Yet when it comes to the monitor they are using a screen which looks like garbage because they are totally ignorant of calibration. They think they can just copy settings off the Internet or download a profile. If only it was as easy as that.

The screen after all is the only thing you look at.

So after spending thousands on a pc they are looking at colours completely different from what they are supposed to be seeing. Wrong brightness levels, etc.

The best thing I've ever bought was a calibrator. I've used it across several screens and I'm blown away with the difference from stock. I was seriously thinking of getting rid of my previous monitor and it wasn't cheap either it was a 27 inch dell 144hz and 1440p. I had come from dual 24 inch calibrated ips dell's to a TN and a VA panel both 27 inch and you could tell they were completely off.

The VA was oversaturated. The TN looked washed out as if it was an old picture damaged by sunlight.

I was going to get rid and go back to ips. I bought a calibrator instead and never looked back. Wow it improved the TN so much it looked bang on. You would be hard pressed to tell once calibrated.

You can bet there's plenty on here spending £2k on a pc for gaming and looking at complete garbage when it comes to their screens.

I've since changed screen and again the new one looked awful. Calibrated it using the tool let it do its thing and wow 32" and 165 Hz never looked so good.

If my calibrator broke I'd buy another in a heartbeat. No way can I now use an uncalibrated screen.

 

[Grim5]

For every £ saved on pointless cores is more £ to spend on the more important parts like gpu and monitor.

I'm still amazed at all these people who are big gamers. Running powerful cpus and gpus. Yet when it comes to the monitor they are using a screen which looks like garbage because they are totally ignorant of calibration. They think they can just copy settings off the Internet or download a profile. If only it was as easy as that.

The screen after all is the only thing you look at.

So after spending thousands on a pc they are looking at colours completely different from what they are supposed to be seeing. Wrong brightness levels, etc.

The best thing I've ever bought was a calibrator. I've used it across several screens and I'm blown away with the difference from stock. I was seriously thinking of getting rid of my previous monitor and it wasn't cheap either it was a 27 inch dell 144hz and 1440p. I had come from dual 24 inch calibrated ips dell's to a TN and a VA panel both 27 inch and you could tell they were completely off.

The VA was oversaturated. The TN looked washed out as if it was an old picture damaged by sunlight.

I was going to get rid and go back to ips. I bought a calibrator instead and never looked back. Wow it improved the TN so much it looked bang on. You would be hard pressed to tell once calibrated.

You can bet there's plenty on here spending £2k on a pc for gaming and looking at complete garbage when it comes to their screens.

I've since changed screen and again the new one looked awful. Calibrated it using the tool let it do its thing and wow 32" and 165 Hz never looked so good.

If my calibrator broke I'd buy another in a heartbeat. No way can I now use an uncalibrated screen.

If you think that's bad wait till you see the sound quality. Most gamers spend heap of money use junk speakers or poor headphones. Derbauer just put his video of his rig, big custom loop pc with best parts, massive 35 inch ultrawide high refresh panel and $50 Logitech speakers that sound like tim cans...

 

[pc-guy]

2021 will be the time to look at the CPU space again IMO.

if you are looking at CPU in 2021 and beyond assumng talking about Zen4 or Zen3+ whatever it is after the 4000 series, those CPUs will be on DDR5, PCIe 5 (likely) etc. so new boards, new chipsets etc etc. you are really looking at a system overhaul not just incremental upgrade.

As you have 3700x on AM4 the next series of CPU will be EoL for that socket and DDR4 so yeah 2020 is your comparitive year and probably 2021 or 2022 is a good year to buy discounted 4000s. I feel that intel will unlikely to match up with AMD in near future as they consistantly change chipset and socket making their expensive boards lasting no more than 2 years is not good business for consumers.

I just jumped from Haswell to 1600 AF with B450 chipset and knowing that I have options to go to 3900x or 4000s in a couple of years and still have a system that will be relevant for years to come. the LGA1150 socket only supported 1 generation of desktop CPU albiet that generation was around for a while. but never the less, pretty poor show.

 

[GregI]

If I'm primarily gaming looking to squeeze out fps and can wait afew months, is it a better idea to wait for Ryzen 4000 rather than investing in Z490? Basically what I'm trying to say is will Ryzen 4000 be better than 10th gen Intel for games if the IPC improvements are to be believed.

 

[jigger]

For every £ saved on pointless cores is more £ to spend on the more important parts like gpu and monitor.

I'm still amazed at all these people who are big gamers. Running powerful cpus and gpus. Yet when it comes to the monitor they are using a screen which looks like garbage because they are totally ignorant of calibration. They think they can just copy settings off the Internet or download a profile. If only it was as easy as that.

The screen after all is the only thing you look at.

So after spending thousands on a pc they are looking at colours completely different from what they are supposed to be seeing. Wrong brightness levels, etc.

The best thing I've ever bought was a calibrator. I've used it across several screens and I'm blown away with the difference from stock. I was seriously thinking of getting rid of my previous monitor and it wasn't cheap either it was a 27 inch dell 144hz and 1440p. I had come from dual 24 inch calibrated ips dell's to a TN and a VA panel both 27 inch and you could tell they were completely off.

The VA was oversaturated. The TN looked washed out as if it was an old picture damaged by sunlight.

I was going to get rid and go back to ips. I bought a calibrator instead and never looked back. Wow it improved the TN so much it looked bang on. You would be hard pressed to tell once calibrated.

You can bet there's plenty on here spending £2k on a pc for gaming and looking at complete garbage when it comes to their screens.

I've since changed screen and again the new one looked awful. Calibrated it using the tool let it do its thing and wow 32" and 165 Hz never looked so good.

If my calibrator broke I'd buy another in a heartbeat. No way can I now use an uncalibrated screen.

The whole industry has gone for parallel processing and the race for Hz on a LCD screen is a futile one, especially when many games engines fall apart over 60 FPS. For people looking for low latency gaming and the absolute best gaming experience budgets need to go out of the window along with LCD screens.

 

[FoxEye]

If you think that's bad wait till you see the sound quality. Most gamers spend heap of money use junk speakers or poor headphones. Derbauer just put his video of his rig, big custom loop pc with best parts, massive 35 inch ultrawide high refresh panel and $50 Logitech speakers that sound like tim cans...

I do all my gaming on £12 KSC-75s, and they sound just fine (to me).

Not interested too much in positional audio tho. Stereo is sufficient.

The only reason I might eventually ditch them (I have like 4 pairs) is to go wireless. I hear wireless headsets have improved a lot since their inception, when they were almost universally panned for being crap. And cables are a total nuisance when gaming.

Can't use speakers because nobody else wants to hear my "silly, childish games that you should have grown out of years ago" Ah the life of a middle-aged gamer

 

[Psycho Sonny]

I do all my gaming on £12 KSC-75s, and they sound just fine (to me).

Not interested too much in positional audio tho. Stereo is sufficient.

The only reason I might eventually ditch them (I have like 4 pairs) is to go wireless. I hear wireless headsets have improved a lot since their inception, when they were almost universally panned for being crap. And cables are a total nuisance when gaming.

Can't use speakers because nobody else wants to hear my "silly, childish games that you should have grown out of years ago" Ah the life of a middle-aged gamer

Ksc-75's though are very very good. They may only cost £15 but they are better than some headphones that cost 10 times that amount.

I personally use a creative x7 couples with AKG q701 for gaming but I also have hd700's for when I am playing a scrim. I also have hd600's for music use. Dt770's for if there is someone in the room with me.

However koss's are brilliant for anyone with a budget of up to £50 alongside Hyper cloud x if you want an all in one solution.

I also use a nano yeti premium mic because the amount of Russians using mics made out of wood hurts my ears and I don't want to inflict the same on anyone else.

 

[Grim5]

I do all my gaming on £12 KSC-75s, and they sound just fine (to me).

lol case and point.

same with phones, people go and buy 1k iPhone and use the boxed ear plugs to listen to music, cringeeeeeeeey

 

[jigger]

If I'm primarily gaming looking to squeeze out fps and can wait afew months, is it a better idea to wait for Ryzen 4000 rather than investing in Z490? Basically what I'm trying to say is will Ryzen 4000 be better than 10th gen Intel for games if the IPC improvements are to be believed.

We’ll have to wait and see as a 17% improvement could mean anything and might not pertain to gaming. I wouldn’t invest in Intel anytime soon though that’s for sure.

 

[FoxEye]

Ksc-75's though are very very good.

Not according to @Grim5, who has just pronounced them complete garbage

To be fair tho, he's not the first person to dismiss them on the basis that they must sound awful given their price tag I wouldn't have 4 pairs if that was true tho hehe.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Not according to @Grim5, who has just pronounced them complete garbage

To be fair tho, he's not the first person to dismiss them on the basis that they must sound awful given their price tag I wouldn't have 4 pairs if that was true tho hehe.

I wouldn't take any notice he thinks his processor is great for gaming too.

Have you modded them at all or stock? I have a £4 pair of iems that are better sounding than some £150 iems. I bought 3 pairs as build quality isn't the greatest.

More money doesn't mean better, case and point with the 3700x and 3900x, etc when it comes to gaming the 3600x is the best option. By the time those extra cores come of any use the 4000 series will be here. Making it a complete waste of money over the 3600x.

 

[FoxEye]

Nah they sound fine to me at stock. The usual mod is to put them on a pair of headbands (eg from the KSC-35), and the others are a bit too drastic and seem to involve drills and stuff In my hands that sounds like a recipe for broken headphones and a trip to A&E