AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

TNA · 4 Mar 2020 at 10:37

jigger said:
We had 6 core chips on AM2+ it’s not like they are a new thing.

Never said they were.

In the past however they either cost a lot or were not much of an upgrade over my 4770K which was at 4.7GHz.

For 4K 60fps gaming (what I do) I do not think we will need more than 6 cores for another couple of years anyways. Everything I run barely tickles my 3600, so I am in no rush to upgrade at all. Waste of money, well apart from benchmarking and having something new to play with

Perfect_Chaos · 4 Mar 2020 at 11:17

How long til we get more leaks? Seems like new Intel stuff that's worth it won't be out til late 2021 or 2022 anyways.

Hoping Zen 3 is a good leap before i switch to DDR5, and if Intel comes back strong i will probably go back to them. If there is AM5 i wonder if they'll do it before DDR5 comes out? Because current thought is that it won't come til 2022 to desktop.

Shame AMD wasn't better in gaming with the first Zen chips, then i guess they still wouldn't be a bit behind Intel now, but at least they are getting closer.

Grim5 · 4 Mar 2020 at 19:39

The leaks have dried up recently, which may indicate that Zen 3 will not launch this year. Possible due to coronavirus and Intel showing its hand and even admitting in an INterview that it has nothing to compete with AMD

Curlyriff · 4 Mar 2020 at 20:33

Grim5 said:
The leaks have dried up recently, which may indicate that Zen 3 will not launch this year. Possible due to coronavirus and Intel showing its hand and even admitting in an INterview that it has nothing to compete with AMD

What Intel does won't change what AMD does in terms of releasing Zen 3, but yes it's possible Coronavirus will affect supply of parts due to parts needed although I would still expect it this year but with less quantity.

pmc25 · 4 Mar 2020 at 21:45

Volume is unlikely to be effected. Launch very possibly. They will likely have to decide between a virtual launch event and postponing it in the hope that the outbreak is brought under control soon.

I know so far Computex hasn't been moved or postponed, but it's difficult to see it going ahead with the worldwide spread of the virus. At some point containment will be viewed to have failed and things will go back to normal (albeit with a lot of dead elderly people), but I doubt that will happen by June.

hominid · 5 Mar 2020 at 14:57

I doubt Zen3 was going to be the first half of the year, I'm guessing 3rd quarter, so not much out there anyway. Yes things can be delayed but they could also be brought forward(not likely this time). AMD is executing very well at the moment, all they have to do is keep pumping out their incremental updates - either with Zen3, or at the very latest Zen4, they will be in the lead in most, if not all, metrics.

Intel isn't going to fix their issues in a couple of quarters unless they outsource manufacturing and isn't likely to happen for most parts. I still think AMD still have 18-24 months free to do what they like, but they do not seem to be slowing down, until Intel either get their 10nm in shape or leave it and just go all in for what ever their 7nm is slated to be. But by that time AMD will have access to 5nm or 5nm+ and should be able to counter what Intel does, everything except ASICS(mainly servers atm).

FoxEye · 5 Mar 2020 at 16:11

hominid said:
I doubt Zen3 was going to be the first half of the year, I'm guessing 3rd quarter, so not much out there anyway. Yes things can be delayed but they could also be brought forward(not likely this time). AMD is executing very well at the moment, all they have to do is keep pumping out their incremental updates - either with Zen3, or at the very latest Zen4, they will be in the lead in most, if not all, metrics.

Intel isn't going to fix their issues in a couple of quarters unless they outsource manufacturing and isn't likely to happen for most parts. I still think AMD still have 18-24 months free to do what they like, but they do not seem to be slowing down, until Intel either get their 10nm in shape or leave it and just go all in for what ever their 7nm is slated to be. But by that time AMD will have access to 5nm or 5nm+ and should be able to counter what Intel does, everything except ASICS(mainly servers atm).

What chance they might have an agreement with Sony and MS not to scupper the new console launch by releasing the new PC stuff beforehand? That would be new PC CPUs and GPUs.

hominid · 5 Mar 2020 at 17:17

FoxEye said:
What chance they might have an agreement with Sony and MS not to scupper the new console launch by releasing the new PC stuff beforehand? That would be new PC CPUs and GPUs.

CPU's I don't think will be under any embargo, GPU's are a bit more interesting as the new ones have IP that have been developed for the consoles, RDNA2 I think it's called, so if anything is affected it'll be those. Having said that I don't think anything like that will happen - not heard about that restriction before.

There is a known 'big navi' out in the wild that, if reports are true, is something like 30% faster than a 2080ti - so much so Nvidia are working on getting the new titan out the door ASAP(supposedly).

FoxEye · 10 Mar 2020 at 11:25

Well I'm sure as heck not waiting for Zen3 now.

The fourth-generation Ryzen chips will arrive at the end of this year, but AMD says that the full range of consumer products, which includes desktop CPUs, should all be available by the end of 2021.

@Gibbo did say in one thread here that there would be no Zen3 desktop chips in 2020. Maybe he wasn't kidding.

So I'll pick up a B550 (soon?) and hopefully a £200 3700X (soon?) and call it a day.

Looks like a 12 month wait (at least) otherwise. Sod that for a laugh.

alec · 10 Mar 2020 at 11:32

Last news was EPYC coming end of 2020
So it makes sense to expect Ryzen Q2 2021. And then probably mobile/APU by the end 2021.
Full year wait, yes.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Mar 2020 at 12:05

The first B550 motherboard has been leaked:
https://videocardz.com/newz/first-amd-b550-motherboard-pictured

TNA · 10 Mar 2020 at 12:41

FoxEye said:
Well I'm sure as heck not waiting for Zen3 now.

@Gibbo did say in one thread here that there would be no Zen3 desktop chips in 2020. Maybe he wasn't kidding.

So I'll pick up a B550 (soon?) and hopefully a £200 3700X (soon?) and call it a day.

Looks like a 12 month wait (at least) otherwise. Sod that for a laugh.

Get an Intel. They are better at gaming!!

On a serious note, just look for a deal on X570 Aorus Elite, then grab a cheap 3600 or 3700X. Later upgrade to a 4900X once you find a deal on that.

FoxEye · 10 Mar 2020 at 13:17

TNA said:
Get an Intel. They are better at gaming!!

I know, but I always said my next system would be back to AMD again

I'd been hoping AMD would get the Zen3 chips out, but seems their release schedule is a lot more lethargic than we'd hoped. March 2021 likely for Zen3 desktop. A full 12 months is no joke, and I'm not prepared to wait that long.

On a serious note, just look for a deal on X570 Aorus Elite, then grab a cheap 3600 or 3700X. Later upgrade to a 4900X once you find a deal on that.

Will wait for B550 so I can avoid the noise lottery with the chipset fan on the X570. We've seen SOYO-branded complete boards in the last couple days, so should be imminent. Here's hoping the 3700X will drop to £200 ish after the B550 boards get released. I know, fat chance

But my budget doesn't stretch beyond £200 and the 3600 non-X chips often won't boost past 4Ghz.

I don't really want a 6-core tbh, coz this upgrade will need to last a couple years before I can be arsed to pull it all apart again (system building is not fun, it's a chore). Also, on a related note it's a shame that AMD now reserve the best boost speeds for the highest core-count chips, but there we are. Just another reason to favour the 3700x over the 3600.

TNA · 10 Mar 2020 at 13:22

FoxEye said:
I know, but I always said my next system would be back to AMD again I'd been hoping AMD would get the Zen3 chips out, but seems their release schedule is a lot more lethargic than we'd hoped. March 2021 likely for Zen3 desktop. A full 12 months is no joke, and I'm not prepared to wait that long.

Will wait for B550 so I can avoid the noise lottery with the chipset fan on the X570. We've seen SOYO-branded complete boards in the last couple days, so should be imminent. Here's hoping the 3700X will drop to £200 ish after the B550 boards get released. I know, fat chance

But my budget doesn't stretch beyond £200 and the 3600 non-X chips often won't boost past 4Ghz.

I don't really want a 6-core tbh, coz this upgrade will need to last a couple years before I can be arsed to pull it all apart again (system building is not fun, it's a chore). Also, on a related note it's a shame that AMD now reserve the best boost speeds for the highest core-count chips, but there we are. Just another reason to favour the 3700x over the 3600.

I don’t think mine ever even spins up. Just there if things ever get hot, which does not happen as my case is well ventilated. I know what you mean though, it was a genuine concern for me also and put me off from X570. Now in hindsight I worried for nothing.

Fair enough, looks like you got more waiting to do then

Since I set my 3600 to 4.4GHz on all cores in BIOS everything has been running flawlessly for me. It actually runs cooler and more efficiently like this than it did on stock which kept pumping the voltage to 1.45v. Now it never goes beyond 1.275v

GregI · 10 Mar 2020 at 17:08

So what's the reason in releasing B550 if 3rd gen is so far away? A July/August reelase for Zen 3 would have been so good

humbug · 10 Mar 2020 at 17:08

FoxEye said:
Well I'm sure as heck not waiting for Zen3 now.

@Gibbo did say in one thread here that there would be no Zen3 desktop chips in 2020. Maybe he wasn't kidding.

So I'll pick up a B550 (soon?) and hopefully a £200 3700X (soon?) and call it a day.

Looks like a 12 month wait (at least) otherwise. Sod that for a laugh.

Threadripper chips are always 6 moths behind Ryzen chips.

FoxEye · 10 Mar 2020 at 19:35

humbug said:
Threadripper chips are always 6 moths behind Ryzen chips.

I'm not sure that changes anything.

AMD said "March 2021 at the latest for desktop Zen3" and "full range by end of 2021".

To me that's fairly clear that Zen3 desktop is not a 2020 product.

FoxEye · 10 Mar 2020 at 19:44

GregI said:
So what's the reason in releasing B550 if 3rd gen is so far away? A July/August reelase for Zen 3 would have been so good

B550 is Asmedia, X570 was an AMD in-house design.

I don't think the reason for this was ever revealed. There was talk of AMD not being happy with aspects of Asmedia's offering, and maybe they told them to go back to the drawing board, whilst taking X570 in-house to avoid delay? This is just speculation from the web tho.

Perfect_Chaos · 10 Mar 2020 at 19:52

Zen 3 needs to come this year, not next year, they need to strike again and it needs to be a good increase like rumours suggest.

I'm still hopeful for a June > August release.

Maybe they're going for > 8 cores this year, with 12 and 16 next year? Or max 12 this year and 16 next year with other low end <6 core chips to follow.

MaXxBoulton · 10 Mar 2020 at 20:16

AStaley said:
PCIE5

not yet, PCIe 4 is still pending there is no way 5 coming in the next 18months

LoadsaMoney said:
Its - 'Ladies and gentlemen, my names Paul'

What?