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FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE (SPOILER TALK)
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I thought that was after their demise, though? I’ll watch the video shortly.
You fight Rubrum, Croceo, and Viridi the 3 visions of fate. Defeat them and the 3 combine into Whisper Bahamut. Once you defeat Bahamut the whispers create a vision of Sephiroth.
It says in-game that it's Sephiroth showing Cloud the vision of the future.
Thank you for the write up, I knew most of this but having it in one place is hugely helpful to my overall understanding.
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It says in-game that it's Sephiroth showing Cloud the vision of the future.
Thank you for the write up, I knew most of this but having it in one place is hugely helpful to my overall understanding.
Sephiroth did show you, as a manifestation of destiny. He doesn’t hold the black Materia to summon meteor, nor can he see the future. The arbiters however show us a vision of what fate could lead too.
When you fight Sephiroth, Midgar in the background is destroyed, but it’s not. None of its real, as you see just before the credits roll.
The only real fight we have with Sephiroth is at the Midgar building on the Presidents floor. With Project Reunion Hojo theorised correctly that if he injects the Jenova cells into test subjects (Sephiroth Clones) they would seek to return back to Jenova. We know from the original story all of the clones fail, except 1, Cloud.
Sephiroth was at the Shinra building to claim the rest of Jenova, just like in the original. He also kills President Shinra, but in the original we don't witness the event. We enter his floor and he's slumped over his desk with Masamune impaled from behind. In remake we witness him impale the President whilst he holds a gun to Barret. Barret then gets killed by Sephiroth which was crap because everyone immediately knew he would never be killed off after being such a lead character. The Arbiters restore him back to life, which honestly that whole thing seemed a bit pointless, it didn't get the omg Barrets dead reaction.
In remake, the clone that Sephiroth has taken over at the Shinra building then changes into Jenova Dreamweaver which when defeated, steps off the Shinra building.
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That suggests that absolutely nothing happens to any character at all, everyone is absolved from any single thing they do or say, because it's all destiny?
Sephiroth shows them, it's literally written within the in-game scenario.
Yes, the entire ending on the Midgar Expressway was simply to say we won't follow what you want us to do (aka follow the original FF7 story), it was all one big Arbiter vision just to say hey look guys, you're supposed to follow your own fate, your own destiny, not do things differently.
I've edited my previous post before you replied.
I don't know what what else I can say to try and explain to you that it's simply not possible to have fought the real Sephiroth on the Expressway. There was no clone at the end of the Midgar Expressway, The clone at the Shinra building was dead, in the original there was never any event there with Sephiroth on the Expressway. The entire plot involving Arbiters was to enable Square to retell remake differently from the original (by changing destiny) see here for a direct quote by Yoshinori Kitase
But, you think somehow that it's actually the real Sephiroth fighting us reminiscent of original end game, music and all, Meteor falling from the sky, able to disappear into thin air (not possible, a Sephiroth clone would remain), and somehow despite never having the ability can also show us a possible future where he's acquired the black materia (that he doesn't yet have or know how to use) to summon meteor 7 seconds before it crashes into Midgar. That and despite the arbiters showing us visions of a future multiple times throughout all the fights, suddenly, when Sephiroth is around, those visions are now from Sephiroth, because why? how? Did he have a handshake agreement with the Arbitors to no longer get involved with the visions?
Don't you think THAT is a bit crazy? None of that makes any sense. Why would Sephiroth use powers he never had? Or are you saying because of the image you linked, Sephiroth shows us because we've strayed from Destiny? Because that's the entire reason WHY arbiters are in remake. Sephiroth wants to summon Meteor so he can absorb the Lifestream and become a god, not to show us destiny.
The vision of Sephiroth appears at the end, talks about Destiny which Aerith says you're wrong before Sephiroth opens a Singularity (again only Arbiters can do) which the group step through to a vision the arbiters show us with various flashes of scenes. When Sephiroth is finally defeated he leaps into the air before sending more Arbiters at us before Cloud leaps up with them both being taken on yet another vision to the edge of creation, again before Sephiroth magically disappears into thin air, which only arbiters again can do.
You've got me sourcing a lot of info to try and explain this, a youtube video that understands the arbiter arc with remake, a quote from Yoshinori Kitase regarding the Arbitors and some changes to the story. But you still believe Sephiroth was real
The questions I personally have is did we defeat the arbiters setting up our own fate, or just defeat them for now. Why did they show a vision of Zack defeating the Shinra troops? I understand all the doom and gloom but this was a good vision. Lots to look forward too.
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For me, that scene is simply there to highlight that whilst the whispers are around, nothing can change what happens to the original story. Barret is in the OG throughout, so when he gets killed I don't think SE were looking for that "omg they didn't!" reaction from fans - at least they didn't get it from me - because we all know what happens throughout the rest of the game (or did, at that point).
My girlfriend, watching the scene and not knowing the original story, was shocked, so for people who haven't played the original it is probably an interesting scene. For fans, we all knew he wasn't dead.
I don't know what what else I can say to try and explain to you that it's simply written within the in-game chapter summary.
With that being said I'm enjoying the discourse, I imagine this is just what the entire team at SE was looking for.
I hope they're finished for good. Their designs were bland and unoriginal, totally unfitting for the world of VII.
So Nomura can run two separate timelines, one with the OG clan, and one called Final Fantasy VII Remake 1.5 where we play out Zack's story in Midgar following his survival (cringe). In Crisis Core he dies in the rain, but in VIIR he defeats the troops and it's sunny. I immediately thought there's going to be more troops around the corner, but we'll have to wait until the next game for that to be explained.
Indeed.
I’m all for discussion but “says Sephiroth on chapter” as your only explanation for everything, isn't an engaging conversation, it’s denial when presented with 23 years of back story.
Documentation also says Clouds a 1st Class Soldier.
Oh well, thanks for the one sided conversation my dude.
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You seem oddly bitter that I proved you wrong.
Yikes
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It says in-game that it's Sephiroth showing Cloud the vision of the future.
Thank you for the write up, I knew most of this but having it in one place is hugely helpful to my overall understanding.
Doesn't this just refer to the part where you're standing in space, looking at the galaxy just before it's demise? (I can't really remember how that conversation went down). The visions of the original FF7 wouldn't have been 7 seconds before the planets demise, the vision of Red running is after they've already saved the planet.
Probably, I was responding to the post where I was told "Sephiroth shows you nothing" and yet the in-game chapter summary suggests that he does
Who/what is showing us the visions is anyone's guess, and relies heavily on whether or not the arbiters have fate have been destroyed after you fight them. Questions to be answered in the following game, unless they pull a 'Lost' on us.
The world beyond refers to the Singularity you step through before any of the battles begin. After you defeat the vision of Sephiroth and defy destiny, you're shown the last vision on the edge of creation where Cloud is asked to join and defy it together.
All I keep thinking when playing this is how Capcom were able to charge the same £50 for Resident Evil 3 Remake, it's massively unfair on Square if you ask me. Even though it's not the complete FF7 it's obvious that an incredible amount of work has gone into it and there's just so much more to enjoy. It definitely does the original game justice from what I've played so far.
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I haven't played RE3 Remake, but that game on the PS1 was able to be completed under 3 hours, same with RE1 & RE2. I heard RE2 was so much better and if that's the case wouldn't they have changed it to add more content?
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Goes to show how lazy that dev team were. They could have easily made the game double the size and not bothered with the rubbish multiplayer.
That said, you also have to look at sales numbers, I am sure FF7R will sell a lot more.
On RE2 remake you had something like 4 game modes, 2 main ones as well as alternative stories plus some extra scenarios so you could say there was a good 15-25 hours. I never played RE3 originally but I completed the remake in just over 5 hours and that's all there is to it, I'm not going to be conned into replaying it multiple times just to unlock a few things.
I hope it does the developers deserve it. played 2 days solid and I'm not even half way through and loved every minute of it.
I was thinking RE2 must have had additional content to make up for it.
Pretty sure FF7 has sold more copies, they scored similar critically (laughable after hearing 5-7 hrs playtime for RE3) but I agree it's a shame the episodic criticism has been brought up regularly, given the playtime we got.