Branded v Supermarket fuel

200sols · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:02

Supermarkets have a near 50% share of petrol sales in the UK, it must be terrible. Still at least it keeps the mechanics in business, think of all those cars clogging up 2 weeks after filling up.

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:02

Nasher said:
All chicken tastes like chicken.

I've never seen an engine killed by using supermarket fuel either.

Neither have I and i have never said it would.

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:03

200sols said:
Supermarkets have a near 50% share of petrol sales in the UK, it must be terrible. Still at least it keeps the mechanics in business, think of all those cars clogging up 2 weeks after filling up.

I didn't say that either. Why are you inventing these crazy situations?

Again OP asked a question, so i provided information from a credible source. And you?

Jonnycoupe · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:05

Nasher said:
You mean like this whole thread? lol

your existence on OCUK Motors is probably where I’d stretch the bandwidth to.

200sols · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:08

Simon said:
I didn't say that either. Why are you inventing these crazy situations?

Again OP asked a question, so i provided information from a credible source. And you?

He's asking about filling up an Auris? It wont make any difference at all wherever he fills it up. But as far as I can see you posted 2 rubbish quality images which showed very little.

Jonnycoupe · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:10

Jeez this is boring now - another new entry to the thread.
Which is the wall we have to stand next to before we start?

200sols · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:13

Jonnycoupe said:
Jeez this is boring now - another new entry to the thread.
Which is the wall we have to stand next to before we start?

Didnt realise this thread was banned from new posters.

Kenai · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:14

Simon said:
Sure. What makes you think the UK standards are 'strict'? What requirement exactly? I'd be interested to know your views being as hundreds of people work to develop fuel around the world.

Develop the fuel or mastermind the worldwide con*?

*that's been blown wide open by armchair experts on the internet

Nasher · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:15

Without a list of additives they use it's all just marketing.

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:15

Agree, they are rubbish photos i took. Its a live demo so people could switch from one endoscopic camera to the other and see the difference on the inlet valve.

Unfortunately the marketing doesn't like to be too technical which is unfortunate for those interested in it.

Gasoline, Shell clearly stating 3x more additive in their V power than regular 95:
https://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/shell-fuels/shell-v-power/shell-v-power-unleaded.html

Diesel pics - spray pattern critical to diesel combustion. (poor combustion = more Soot = DPF loading = more regens)
https://www.bp.com/en_gb/united-kin...diesel-with-active-technology.html#tab_ACTIVE technology

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:15

Kenai said:
Develop the fuel or mastermind the worldwide con*?

*that's been blown wide open by armchair experts on the internet

Shh, 5G causes DPF failure

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:16

Nasher said:
Without a list of additives they use it's all just marketing.

Ah yes, every company who spends literally millions on development of any product publishes the formulation once they are done.

The proof is actually in the testing and results which are then shared to country agencies such as the ASA here in the UK before claims can be made, they verify the claims are genuine.

Nasher · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:18

Simon said:
Ah yes, every company who spends literally millions on development of any product publishes the formulation once they are done.

That's why copyright exists.

But without it, they have no proof their mixture does anything.

Conscript · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:20

200sols said:
He's asking about filling up an Auris? It wont make any difference at all wherever he fills it up. But as far as I can see you posted 2 rubbish quality images which showed very little.

He asked about filling up an Auris in a different thread. It appears he started this thread to expand the discussion RE: super market fuels and additives. Simon has responded with some useful input on the benefits of using branded fuels and suggested that there is evidence that using them may be better in the long term and provide benefits over super market fuel, mainly regarding engine cleanliness and the subsequent advantages of that, and even provided some visual evidence.

At no point that I can see has he suggested that using supermarket fuel is harmful, nor dangerous - simply that there are benefits to not doing so. Why are you (and others to be fair) trying to misrepresent his position in such an absurd way?

200sols · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:22

Simon said:
Agree, they are rubbish photos i took. Its a live demo so people could switch from one endoscopic camera to the other and see the difference on the inlet valve.

Unfortunately the marketing doesn't like to be too technical which is unfortunate for those interested in it.

Gasoline, Shell clearly stating 3x more additive in their V power than regular 95:
https://www.shell.co.uk/motorist/shell-fuels/shell-v-power/shell-v-power-unleaded.html

Diesel pics - spray pattern critical to diesel combustion. (poor combustion = more Soot = DPF loading = more regens)
https://www.bp.com/en_gb/united-kin...diesel-with-active-technology.html#tab_ACTIVE technology

So you are comparing supermarket standard fuel with 'premium' branded fuels?

Simon · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:24

Nasher said:
That's why copyright exists.

But without it, they have no proof their mixture does anything.

Its actually known as intellectual property (IP) and often support via patent law. Its not Napster! I've already updated post to show that the tests are the ciritical proof point. Only the people testing and the tests results can show benefits. you can surmise them from an ingredient list.

Who are 'they'? Do you mean qualified chemists and engineers who have a passion for the industry and try and develop the best fuels they can? Don't for one moment think marketing just make the claims they want. All claims have to be fully verified and confirmed internally before externally.

Kenai · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:27

Nasher on supermarket fuel vs branded fuel:

Nasher said:
As the blends are all kept a "secret" it's all just rumour and opinion. They can't back up their claims unless they make it public. But then it could be a secret because it's all the same

Nasher said:
Without a list of additives they use it's all just marketing.

Nasher said:
That's why copyright exists.

But without it, they have no proof their mixture does anything.

Also Nasher on supermarket fuel vs branded fuel:

Diddums said:
Top photo = premium fuel.

Bottom photo = cheapo stuff.

And I don't believe one ounce of it.

Nasher said:
Well, it's true. Fuel quality and the additives they put in it makes a big difference.

Make your mind up

Jonnycoupe · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:28

200sols said:
Didnt realise this thread was banned from new posters.

Nothing wrong when you can contribute....

Dis86 · 27 Apr 2020 at 10:28

Nasher said:
That's why copyright exists.

But without it, they have no proof their mixture does anything.

Yeah...no. no it's not. There's a reason that the recipe for coca cola for example is kept in a locked safe and only known to a few. The same goes for kfcs blend. Copyright only applies to creative work.

Nasher · 27 Apr 2020 at 11:08

Kenai said:
Nasher on supermarket fuel vs branded fuel:

Also Nasher on supermarket fuel vs branded fuel:

Make your mind up

We were talking about regular vs premium, not branded vs supermarket...

That was from a completely different thread really????

Dis86 said:
Yeah...no. no it's not. There's a reason that the recipe for coca cola for example is kept in a locked safe and only known to a few. The same goes for kfcs blend. Copyright only applies to creative work.

People know what's in it, just not the amounts or the preparation process. It has to be listed for food...

Yes, you can copyright chemicals.