Football and the Coronavirus

Factory workers can keep their distance from each other. How are football players meant to do that? Even in training they will get in each others faces when doing defending drills for corners, free kicks. They are breathing at a faster and heavier rate so their breath will travel further and they'll put out more particles into the air. If one player gets infected it could very well spread through not just his team but an opposition team they play. I can see the season starting again but I can also see it grinding to a halt again when players start catching it. They have careers to think about, why put themselves and their futures at risk if they develop lung damage or any of the other damage this can cause.

I've covered most of this in the post above. Whether factory workers (or office workers or wherever else) can keep their distance is up for debate and even more questions remain regarding whether they will - we all know of examples where workers aren't following social distancing now. I accept that there will be far more contact in football and the risks of infections spreading is greater though. The difference is football is far more likely to prevent an infected person returning to work than somebody in another industry. As above, the plan is for players to be tested 24 hours before training/playing and isolating before being cleared to return. So far this process has been working in Germany but we'll know more over the next two weeks.

Players will have their own decisions to make, just like everybody else and nobody should be forced to return if they're not happy to. PL footballers are much more fortunate than most others facing this decision though - most will have the financial security to choose not to return if they feel unsafe, where as most members of the general public won't.
 
They could do something like the NBA is considering. What they are thinking of is making an NBA bubble. They are currently accepting proposals from various sites, like the MGM Grand or Disney world. These would be neutral venues to play out the remaining games while having the facilities to house a large number of people. The players and staff etc. would stay for the duration. There are plans to allow players and staff to go home and visit their families or have their families come visit them, with the proper testing of course.

I don't know does the UK have a venue that would suitable for something like this? But, it's an interesting idea.
 
They could do something like the NBA is considering. What they are thinking of is making an NBA bubble. They are currently accepting proposals from various sites, like the MGM Grand or Disney world. These would be neutral venues to play out the remaining games while having the facilities to house a large number of people. The players and staff etc. would stay for the duration. There are plans to allow players and staff to go home and visit their families or have their families come visit them, with the proper testing of course.

I don't know does the UK have a venue that would suitable for something like this? But, it's an interesting idea.
Something similar was reported a few weeks back, where squads would isolate in hotels for a 6 week period and play games in a handful of locations, but nothing appeared to come from it. Although some supporters are raising concerns about health and safety, it's seemingly only a secondary issue for clubs and it's the idea of using neutral venues that is holding things up.

Currently the League is being told that they won't be able to use all 20 stadiums due to the need of policing games and fears of supporters turning up at stadiums. The alternative being put forward is for around 8-10 stadiums, that are considered most suitable, to be used and for no club to play at their own stadium. Unfortunately not all clubs will agree to this, with sides at the bottom of the table and most at risk of being relegated if the League resumes, arguing that it would no longer be the same competition that was started and not perfectly fair for all sides.
 
There was nothing in last nights speech that will give comfort to footballers and the game restarting

they were waiting on government advice remember

i bet the restart date gets put back again at todays meeting
 
This void talk is boring now. It isnt going to happen. It hasnt happened anywhere else (im talking top flight) and wont happen here.
each country is different. we have the 2nd highest number of cases/deaths while for example, germany have one of the lowest.

They are almost in "green" compared to the peri peri nhs chart so are in a better position to restart the league then us
 
each country is different. we have the 2nd highest number of cases/deaths while for example, germany have one of the lowest.

They are almost in "green" compared to the peri peri nhs chart so are in a better position to restart the league then us

Haha ffs peri peri chart. We would also be starting 6 weeks after them. If it cant be done it wont be voided.
 
This void talk is boring now. It isnt going to happen. It hasnt happened anywhere else (im talking top flight) and wont happen here.

How do you know it isn't going to happen? The Prem could still say to Uefa they are using the current league positions for Europe spaces and that's it. Irrespective of how far ahead Liverpool are the Premier league needs to be able to award all aspects of the league including relegation for it to fulfill it's need.
 
How do you know it isn't going to happen? The Prem could still say to Uefa they are using the current league positions for Europe spaces and that's it. Irrespective of how far ahead Liverpool are the Premier league needs to be able to award all aspects of the league including relegation for it to fulfill it's need.

So they use sporting merit then? I.e not voiding.
 
So they use sporting merit then? I.e not voiding.
And of course it's being reported that the FA will also block any attempt for relegations and promotions to be cancelled.

I know the purpose of jonney's posts but it applies to others too, whether they're trolling or just not put any thought into their posts - why whenever health and safety or logisitcs of returning now are being discussed is "void the only way"? Why isn't finishing the season early, using the current standings "the only way"? Why isn't delaying the restart until later "the only way"? Is it only supporters of clubs that have had **** seasons that think voiding is the only way?
There was nothing in last nights speech that will give comfort to footballers and the game restarting

they were waiting on government advice remember

i bet the restart date gets put back again at todays meeting
Did you just copy a tweet from Gary Neville? :D

You do realise that 'project restart' is being worked on between the League and government? The plans around returning to training and games starting at certain points have been agreed with government already - the exact date at which they will be reached will be dependent on the health situation in the country and of course clubs agreeing to requirements placed on them.

edit: and it's reported that they're only going to vote on returning to training today. The League hasn't given a date for returning to matches as it's a fluid situation that will change - reportedly the best case plan was 12th June but that will need everything to go smoothly between now and then.
 
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And of course it's being reported that the FA will also block any attempt for relegations and promotions to be cancelled.

I know the purpose of jonney's posts but it applies to others too, whether they're trolling or just not put any thought into their posts - why whenever health and safety or logisitcs of returning now are being discussed is "void the only way"? Why isn't finishing the season early, using the current standings "the only way"? Why isn't delaying the restart until later "the only way"? Is it only supporters of clubs that have had **** seasons that think voiding is the only way?

Did you just copy a tweet from Gary Neville? :D

You do realise that 'project restart' is being worked on between the League and government? The plans around returning to training and games starting at certain points have been agreed with government already - the exact date at which they will be reached will be dependent on the health situation in the country and of course clubs agreeing to requirements placed on them.

edit: and it's reported that they're only going to vote on returning to training today. The League hasn't given a date for returning to matches as it's a fluid situation that will change - reportedly the best case plan was 12th June but that will need everything to go smoothly between now and then.
Would you be putting this much effort in justifying the season continuation if it was city or united going to win the league?
 
Would you be putting this much effort in justifying the season continuation if it was city or united going to win the league?
I generally reply to people with ill informed posts and question them. Just like I did to you in the Newcastle takeover thread - I'm pretty sure that doesn't effect Liverpool winning the League. If people talk nonsense I think it's best to call them out and at least ask them to back-up what they've said, that way it stops others from believing that nonsense.

And I'm not sure how any of my posts that have been about justifying the League finishing have been in relation to Liverpool - it's mostly been related to the financial damage that will effect most other, smaller clubs. I've only mentioned Liverpool when discussing what's most likely to happen if the season isn't finished, rather than is finished.
 
Would you be putting this much effort in justifying the season continuation if it was city or united going to win the league?

Why would, for arguments sake Liverpool, pay just to save Brighton and co? If you void you're asking clubs to pay back substantial amounts of money back to Tv and then lose European money for next season.

Oh and for the record if the top two were switched and City were top I'd have no issue whatsoever with them having the title.
 
Why would, for arguments sake Liverpool, pay just to save Brighton and co? If you void you're asking clubs to pay back substantial amounts of money back to Tv and then lose European money for next season.

Oh and for the record if the top two were switched and City were top I'd have no issue whatsoever with them having the title.
I’m not saying it should be voided, I’m saying it’s not safe to complete the season in the rush that they are trying to complete it in, so end it now on a PPG basis. You can then award the title, European places and sadly relegate the bottom 3. Remember I’m a toon fan and there is a chance we could have won the FA cup but that’s life everyone misses out.
The premier league then has the time and can concentrate on ways to separate the players, staff and officials in such a way that they don’t come into contact with any contamination from Covid19 and can then start the season as close to the original planed start date as possible.
 
Why would, for arguments sake Liverpool, pay just to save Brighton and co? If you void you're asking clubs to pay back substantial amounts of money back to Tv and then lose European money for next season.

Oh and for the record if the top two were switched and City were top I'd have no issue whatsoever with them having the title.
Maybe void next season instead? or make it so u play each team in the league once in a neutral ground?

ie london derby in stamford bridge and west hah vs chelsea at the emirates?

liverpool vs everton at old trafford and manchester derby at anfield or st james park?

RESTART this season in aug/sept then start the next season around nov
 
I’m not saying it should be voided, I’m saying it’s not safe to complete the season in the rush that they are trying to complete it in, so end it now on a PPG basis.
The premier league then has the time and can concentrate on ways to separate the players, staff and officials in such a way that they don’t come into contact with any contamination from Covid19 and can then start the season as close to the original planed start date as possible.
However you end the season, whether it's voided, ppg, current standings, the financial implications are the same. Approx £800m of TV money is likely to have to be repaid. From a financial point of view you could argue that it will actually benefit the biggest clubs if the season is ended early. PL tv revenue accounts for the vast majority of total revenue for the majority of sides - it's only the top sides with huge commercial revenues and receive CL money afterall. Not completing the season will leave all but a handful of clubs broke, in fact it's potentially only going to be Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd and City that wouldn't be. With everybody else desperate for money, these clubs will be able to cherry pick the best players from across the League (and maybe throughout Europe) at rock bottom prices, securing their position at the top table for the long term.

There's then the non football related issues. How many out of contract players will end up having to take big pay cuts, if they can find a club at all? How will clubs look to save money by making cuts to non playing staff? Around 1500 players are out of contract in July in England alone - nobody will get a new contract on as much money as before and I'd guestimate at least 10% won't find a club at all. 150 players out of work doesn't sound too bad but if 10% of non playing staff also lose their jobs that's going to be around 10,000 jobs lost in the PL alone.

As I've always said, football shouldn't return unless it can be made as safe as other industries that are deemed safe to return however I have very little time for the arguement about it being fair. I'd much rather football returned and was slightly unfair than 1000s of people losing their jobs.
 
News just breaking regarding the return of professional sport:


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There is also the likelihood that the restrictions that are in place may be changed for different regions of the country dependent on the “risk” of coronavirus. This may affect which stadia are chosen as one of the eight to 10 ‘neutral’ venues the Premier League have been told by the police and Sports Ground Safety Authority to use to play out the remaining 92 games of the season.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ehind-closed-doors-return-june-boost-project/

If true this ends the hopes any clubs have of playing in their own stadiums.
 
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