Vettel leaving Ferrari

Lando, Danny and a Merc power unit in 2021. How times have changed for McLaren.

I can see Vettel taking some time off after this and potentially moving to a manufacturer in WEC if their prototype class takes off.
 
Greboth said:
Except Ferrari haven't really been doing much of that in recent years.
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14 wins in three seasons. So. while not particularly close to Mercedes they've still managed better than RBR over the same period (10). If I stretch that to five years (Vettel's whole time with the team) then they're still ahead of RBR on wins (17-12).
 
Steampunk said:
Ricciardo to McLaren confirmed, leaving a seat open at Renault. Sainz has gone to Ferrari, just waiting for the official announcement.
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Ricci at McLaren seems like a good move for the team. I hope they can return to the front with the rules change and give him a car to compete with the best, and with Norris in the second seat it gives them a good combo for both now and the future.
 
This is nice from Sainz:


But I'm glad they put the 55 up at the end because I was momentarily disturbed by what I read as #SS
 
Mr Jack said:
If confirmed, it'll be Ferrari's least experienced line-up since the mid 80s. It will be interesting to see whether Leclerc and Sainz are able to drive the development side of things well enough to put Ferrari on top.
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Not so. Schumacher and Irvine had a combined 101 starts when they teamed up for 1996. Sainz alone has 102 starts and adding Leclerc makes it 144.

The next lowest after Schumacher and Irvine was in 1992, when Alesi and Capelli had a combined record of 122 starts.

Edit: In terms of full seasons, it's still more experienced than the 1996 line up (six combined seasons) and currently, not including 2020, the same as 1992 (seven seasons).
 
this_is_gav said:
Not so. Schumacher and Irvine had a combined 101 starts when they teamed up for 1996. Sainz alone has 102 starts and adding Leclerc makes it 144.
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I was counting by seasons rather than starts. Although, actually, I realise I completely discounted this season and so depending on whether this season actually happens or not, you'd be right by either method I think.
 
Fantastic news. I have been a fan of Sainz ever since he came into F1 so extremely happy for him to be in a top team, although I do not like Ferrari I will certainly be pleased when he gets wins. I think he will push Leclerc very hard indeed, it'll be great to watch.

And Ricciardo to McLaren is the icing on the cake, what a driver pairing they have now, if they keep improving, and with a Merc PU next season, what times ahead they have.

Brilliant stuff.
 
What next for Vettel? Swap him for Bottas I say, the entertainment value would be through the roof :D
 
Mr Jack said:
I was counting by seasons rather than starts. Although, actually, I realise I completely discounted this season and so depending on whether this season actually happens or not, you'd be right by either method I think.
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Even without this season they're more experienced (just), as both Alesi and Capelli had part-time drives before their full seasons.

Looking back I'm still surprised that the Schumacher and Irvine partnership was as young as it is. Irvine was such a weird choice - more so than Sainz. At least Capelli for 1992, at that point, made some sense.
 
Super stoked for Carlos. Ever since he was at TR with Max I felt he got overlooked for being older.

I never thought I'd be gutted for Seb though. Unless he wants the Renault seat I feel a bit bad for him essentially being forced out of the sport after a season non-season like this.
 
I thought Seb was a total tool for most of his time in F1 but I have grown to like him these last few years, I hope he stays.
 
this_is_gav said:
Even without this season they're more experienced (just), as both Alesi and Capelli had part-time drives before their full seasons.
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No, they had half a season more (5 for Capelli, 2.5 for Alesi; vs 5 for Sainz, 2 for Leclerc). But, as I said, it's a bit of a moot point since I'd forgotten to add this season :)

Looking back I'm still surprised that the Schumacher and Irvine partnership was as young as it is. Irvine was such a weird choice - more so than Sainz. At least Capelli for 1992, at that point, made some sense.
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Yeah, it does look weird, although with Schumi a twice world champion already I guess they didn't need experience in the second seat. I didn't really start watching F1 regularly until '95 so I have no idea what people made of it at the time.
 
It just seemed weird as there were no shortage of drivers who would have jumped at that seat (even as a number 2) yet been a more calming and more reliable man than Irvine.
 
Junglist said:
Super stoked for Carlos. Ever since he was at TR with Max I felt he got overlooked for being older.

I never thought I'd be gutted for Seb though. Unless he wants the Renault seat I feel a bit bad for him essentially being forced out of the sport after a season non-season like this.
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He's not been forced out for this season, but because of not performing for his last few years at Ferrari. He demanded a lot (number one status and mad money) but couldn't live up to his end of the bargain, even when given a championship winning car. He's made too many driver mistakes (though the rest of the team has made it's own share of mistakes too). In the end, if you're the number one driver for Ferrari, anything is forgiven if you win. If you don't you're vilified. The same thing happened to Alonso.

I wonder if Ferrari are expecting too much after their glory days of Schumacher and Brawn winning everything, especially in the face of a Mercedes works team and a Hamilton competing against them. Ferrari has to beat one of the best teams ever, and one of the best drivers ever, and Ferrari can't do that with the driver and team mistakes they are making.
 
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