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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It is going to dependent on whether Nvidia thinks margins or more sales are important.
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I'm wondering if they know that sales will be down worldwide due to Covid and are going for higher margins to compensate.

Higher margins seemed to work with Turing. They didn't have to fire sale like AMD have had to do sometimes when their cards were priced too high and not selling.
 
five8five said:
I'm wondering if they know that sales will be down worldwide due to Covid and are going for higher margins to compensate.

Higher margins seemed to work with Turing. They didn't have to fire sale like AMD have had to do sometimes when their cards were priced too high and not selling.
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Its money man logic. 10 years ago,companies would be thinking of dropping prices to get more sales. Now its all about margins,ie,yearly returns. We will see how this all pans out.

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FoxEye said:
People don't have unlimited amounts of money.
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I think you underestimate the amount of people out there who have quite a bit of disposable income, not everyone is poor (I'm not rich by any means, but I can spend quite a bit on my hobby). nV and AMD need to cater for all, from £100 to £2.5/3k. People generally need to understand this, just makes good business sense.
 
Time to feed the (rumour monger) beast:
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chaparral said:
Am not sure about that with what i see people buying these days..

The amount of people i see with expensive Cars, Mobile phones, Motorbikes, Push bikes, TV's, Houses, SPA's etc etc is unreal...
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Yeah we're increasingly a world funded by debt, low interest rates and reserve banks' money printers going Brrrrrr. Everyone (Including Nvidia) wants a piece of that easy debt and will raise their prices cause they know you can get the money
 
It could be true,but isn't Ampere launching before Navi and the consoles?? I would probably wait until all the GPUs and consoles are launched before we have a true inkling of relative performance.

Also,WRT to the PS5,does the leaker actually have a PS5 to hand,to judge performance?? What about the XBox Series X?? It seems leakers are very quiet on the latter! :p

Edit!!

Kopite who leaked a lot of what Ampere had such as GDDR6X,had something to say on all of this:

And this time Yuuki-Ans's picture was stolen by him. His basic operation is to make a lot of nonsense, and then wait until the matter is confirmed, delete what is not good for him. USG Ishimura a very shameful man in BAIDU TIEBA. He has been banned in most PC hardware forum.
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CuriousTomCat said:
No wonder Nvidia are so expensive with so many of you umming and ahing over which Nvidia card to go for. They've got a sale from you regardless. Some are even thinking Nvidia card Vs console.

They will never lower their prices with such a loyal fan base.

Competing chip makers do exist but are destined to fail it seems.
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I think this is unfair.


AMD turn up late to the party, offer the same performance for like £50 less. If I was wanting to game at 4k/60FPS, I'd STILL be waiting, years on from the RTX 2080ti launch, for an AMD card to hit the market which matches that performance.

At the low end, I completely agree; there is a choice. But if you are at the 'low end', then surely grabbing the second hand 2080 and 2080tis will be the best deal in the next 6 months. At the high end, which is 4k/60+ gaming with HDR, AMD aren't even in the equation and whenever they get there, they're months or sometimes years behind NVIDIA with a very small price discount to reflect this.

AMD fanboys live in a world where AMD offer the same performance as NVIDIA at every performance point with the same features at 50-75% of the cost with the same heat/noise levels. This just doesn't exist. AMD STILL haven't matched the 2080ti and I only know of the Radeon 7 (which wasnt cheap) which for sure matches the 1080ti, and that got discontinued, and the 1080ti is old as hell now.

I would love to support AMD, but give me a product which is comparable to NVIDIA's top tier cards, and release them on time to compete with those cards, and release them at a discount which takes into account the missed features which RTX offers (e.g. DLSS 2.0, Raytracing).
 
five8five said:
For me, the pricing of Ampere will confirm whether Turing was a one-off or is the new norm.
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This is the big question I am asking. My fear of course is that this pricing is the new norm because RTX (and to a lesser extent, DLSS) are viewed by Nvidia as new, additional technologies that sit on top of what GPUs traditional offer. Thus the pricing includes an additional sum for the additional technology. That itself isn't completely unreasonable when laid out like this, but there are problems with this approach, being (1) the consumer may not wish to buy the new tech but is left with no choice, and (2) to the extent that RTX/DLSS is offered in lieu of reasonable generational increases in traditional performance, then it's not 'additional' tech but rather a substitute.
 
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I didn't realise it was next month they would be announced. May look at a 3070. Hopefully that will hit 1440p 144hz comfortably.
Are there any specific brands that seem to have better CS than others? I've heard EVGA are good?
 
five8five said:
Thought it was just a rehash of the Wccftech article but there's a lot of new stuff.

Was going to post it in the AMD thread. Do you want the pleasure? :p
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Yeah, read through all that BS if you want or just skip to the comments afterwards from @kopite7kimi, Red Gaming Tech, Not An Apple Fan et al, and you will see the guy who wrote it is completely disrespected in tech forums and is actually an Nvidia PR officer ffs :p
 
danlightbulb said:
Why is it?

Materials cost - same.
Labour cost - same
Shipping etc - same

The only thing that costs money up front is R&D development, and machinery/tooling, which has to be recouped over the product life. Why should this have gone up compared to last gen?
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Wafer cost is going to be more due to 7nm vs 12nm. Yield rates are going to be different.

And that’s just comparing like for like. The X1X used an rx580 and essentially a tablet potato cpu. XSX is using a zen 2 8core and likely midrange rnda2, that’s naturally going to cost more to produce because it’s far more complicated.

Then you have things like more + expensive memory, expensive SSD, more expensive cooling and power delivery system. Even the small differences soon add up.

Obviously I’m not expecting insane prices but I’ll be suprised if they are both under £500. I’m not too bothered either way. Will be buying PS5. Won’t be buying XSX as I have all games on pc anyway.

If anything I hope they are cheap and in return bring gpu prices down to sane levels again.
 
Satchfanuk said:
Yeah, read through all that BS if you want or just skip to the comments afterwards from @kopite7kimi, Red Gaming Tech, Not An Apple Fan et al, and you will see the guy who wrote it is completely disrespected in tech forums and is actually an Nvidia PR officer ffs :p
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Expect there'll be a lot more like this in the coming weeks :p
 
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