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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Big Navi is about 6 months late to market based on new Ampere leaks - now AMD will need to cut its prices like they with baby Navi

Third party AIB RTX3090 are doing 10900 points in timespy extreme out of the box - the founders edition 2080ti does 6300 points.
 
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Grim5 said:
Big Navi is about 6 months late to market based on new Ampere leaks - now AMD will need to cut its prices like they with baby Navi

Third party AIB RTX3090 are doing 10900 points in timespy extreme out of the box - the founders edition 2080ti does 6300 points.
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Nvidia might overcharge again and give AMD a nice chunck of market share.

I know that my decision to wait on AMD is tied directly to what Nvida charges for the performance they offer.

If Nvidia offers Pascal-like value, sure, AMD's probably to late for my money.

If they pull another Turing...I can wait.
 
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Well TBF,if say the top RDNA2 GPU has double the shaders and double the memory bandwidth of a RX5700XT,it should at least be faster than a RTX2080TI:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html

Assuming perfect scaling,it should at least 30% faster. So if it can't beat an RTX2080TI there is a problem.
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Double the shaders and double the memory bandwidth of a 5700XT would utterly crush a 2080 Ti. Don't forget we're talking RDNA 2 here. Let's give AMD the benefit of the doubt for a moment and say they hit their +50% performance per watt. That would put an identical shader count 6700 XT (40 CUs) about 10% faster than the 2080 Ti. If AMD balls it up and only get +25% ppw then those same 40 CUs would probably tie the 2080 Ti, or at the very least beat the 2080 Super.

Either way, we're looking at the very real proposition that AMD's midrange 40 CU card is giving us top-end Turing performance. As should/will Ampere.

I know the XSX has 52 CUs and it pegged around the 2080 Super, but don't forget those CUs have to share power with the rest of the APU and the console as a whole. AMD like to overpower and clock the tatas off their discrete cards, so I can see 52 CUs on a discrete card blasted with a full 250W outperforming the XSX by some margin.

You can be very conservative, even skeptical, about RDNA 2's performance and still see the midrange models besting top Turing. If AMD don't get there then they've properly and royally messed it up, so yes I would go a step further and say if AMD can't beat the 2080 Ti with their midrange offering then there's a problem.
 
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Double the shaders and double the memory bandwidth of a 5700XT would utterly crush a 2080 Ti. Don't forget we're talking RDNA 2 here. Let's give AMD the benefit of the doubt for a moment and say they hit their +50% performance per watt. That would put an identical shader count 6700 XT (40 CUs) about 10% faster than the 2080 Ti. If AMD balls it up and only get +25% ppw then those same 40 CUs would probably tie the 2080 Ti, or at the very least beat the 2080 Super.

Either way, we're looking at the very real proposition that AMD's midrange 40 CU card is giving us top-end Turing performance. As should/will Ampere.

I know the XSX has 52 CUs and it pegged around the 2080 Super, but don't forget those CUs have to share power with the rest of the APU and the console as a whole. AMD like to overpower and clock the tatas off their discrete cards, so I can see 52 CUs on a discrete card blasted with a full 250W outperforming the XSX by some margin.

You can be very conservative, even skeptical, about RDNA 2's performance and still see the midrange models besting top Turing. If AMD don't get there then they've properly and royally messed it up, so yes I would go a step further and say if AMD can't beat the 2080 Ti with their midrange offering then there's a problem.
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That is why if they can't match,let alone beat a RTX2080TI with Big Navi,something has gone wrong with it IMHO!
 
Grim5 said:
Big Navi is about 6 months late to market based on new Ampere leaks - now AMD will need to cut its prices like they with baby Navi

Third party AIB RTX3090 are doing 10900 points in timespy extreme out of the box - the founders edition 2080ti does 6300 points.
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What the hell are you talking about. Is your sole purpose on this forum to promote Nvidia's agenda?

How can RDNA2 be late when it has never had a release date? The only thing AMD have ever said relating to launching those cards was that it would be before the consoles. As far as I'm aware, they haven't launched yet so AMD are still good.

Once again you are claiming facts about Nvidia's next gen based on leaks and rumours. We still have about 2 weeks before Nvidia even announce their Ampere gaming cards, let alone know what sort of performance they will achieve.

Stop trying to put AMD down while inflating Nvidia until after both product are released and reviewed shall we. If what you say pans out, then you can fill your boots but until then, you just look like you have an axe to grind.
 
Satchfanuk said:
What the hell are you talking about. Is your sole purpose on this forum to promote Nvidia's agenda?

How can RDNA2 be late when it has never had a release date? The only thing AMD have ever said relating to launching those cards was that it would be before the consoles. As far as I'm aware, they haven't launched yet so AMD are still good.

Once again you are claiming facts about Nvidia's next gen based on leaks and rumours. We still have about 2 weeks before Nvidia even announce their Ampere gaming cards, let alone know what sort of performance they will achieve.

Stop trying to put AMD down while inflating Nvidia until after both product are released and reviewed shall we. If what you say pans out, then you can fill your boots but until then, you just look like you have an axe to grind.
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Grim (old) isn't it?
 
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How can RDNA2 be late when it has never had a release date?
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You are missing his inference - what he is saying is that if AMD wanted to get a win against nVidia they'd have had to have launched 6 months earlier. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen.

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Stop trying to put AMD down while inflating Nvidia until after both product are released and reviewed shall we. If what you say pans out, then you can fill your boots but until then, you just look like you have an axe to grind.
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This goes both ways - there is not shortage of people around here who won't hesitate to try and put nVidia down even if it means resorting to outright lies and act like they have an act to grind if someone dares to say anything negative about AMD no matter how objective or true it might be.
 
AMD will not win, and that's fine, so long as they are at least at the level of the 2'nd card and Nvidia have to throw everything at it to get the fastest card.... i'm ok with that.
 
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AMD will not win, and that's fine, so long as they are at least at the level of the 2'nd card and Nvidia have to throw everything at it to get the fastest card.... i'm ok with that.
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They may win we don't know either way. However, Nvidia will not be priced affordably when one can just go console for the same games. There is no more PC gaming exclusivity market. So claiming a win for nvidia this early in the stage is only academic towards an emotional response.

I simply don't prescribe to your view. And you don't have the foresight to know which way it's going to go other then your own preference.
 
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AMD don't need to win in absolute performance. If they offer better performance for any given price point they will sell. Most of the sales will be under £500 anyway. I still think that's what " Nvidia killer" was all about fast, cheap(er), lower end cards.

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Rroff said:
You are missing his inference - what he is saying is that if AMD wanted to get a win against nVidia they'd have had to have launched 6 months earlier. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen.



This goes both ways - there is not shortage of people around here who won't hesitate to try and put nVidia down even if it means resorting to outright lies and act like they have an act to grind if someone dares to say anything negative about AMD no matter how objective or true it might be.
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Yeah but most people, once it's pointed out to them that info is fake, will stop trying to promote that false info. Not Grim though, he just gave up in the Nvidia thread and posted the same stuff in here instead. Sounds like an agenda to me.
 
humbug said:
AMD will not win, and that's fine, so long as they are at least at the level of the 2'nd card and Nvidia have to throw everything at it to get the fastest card.... i'm ok with that.
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I think AMD will hit the speeds that 99% of people will deem fine for them and that's ok, not everyone will need the nutter Ti/90!!!

Even if it's just 1.5x the perf of the 5700XT that's still a damn good card when optimised for :)

I just hope they have a 'stack' of a few top performing cards to fit all top-end budgets (say £450-3080 money)
 
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