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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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Having such an overwhelming desire for a particular product and willing to spend over $1,000 for it doesn't show affordability it shows addiction. Because an addict will always find a way to afford what they want. But in reality they treat there purchasing power as disposable.

Currently there is no particular game that mandates a card at that price. Therefore the only reason to pay that much money for one is the status of it. Which is very addictive, I've been told.
 
five8five said:
The Super didn't magically appear out of thin air. It must have been planned for a while.
AMD have done the same thing recently with the XT CPUs.
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There was nothing special about the Supers. The PCBs are the same, the RAM is the same, the VRMs are the same, it's literally a drop-in of the new GPU die. Now yes, there would have been a plan to release the better GPUs because of improved yields, but it's more likely that plan was to do so later than we saw. Navi just brought that plan forward.

Similar to when the 290X was beating the 780 and Titan, the 780 Ti and Titan Black appeared seemingly out of nowhere, rather than Nvidia dropping the prices of the existing models. Yes, the yields were improved so the die was fully functional, so there would have been a plan to release later on, but the competition pushed that timescale forward.
 
See that!!! AMD tried to lower prices so you can buy your Nvidia product but nvidia said no. /s

The main reason for the super variance was to keep prices High. And which I am sure they will do the same thing for ampere. And that's no sarcasm.

But by all means some will wait under bated breath for the new price structures for the same SKU they just got through paying for. Just because it feels good to see those Benchmark results. While everyone else will use caution into how they will make their next purchase based on the games they want to play not the benchmark.
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Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Given that the 2080S launched $100 cheaper than the 2080 did, and the 2070S launched $100 cheaper than the 2070, I'm not sure how much that works...

It looks much more like AMD spooked them, to me!
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Oh it's you. Hi :D
You do realize that there were other variants to those cards than just buying it from the nvidia directly, right? Also almost a year after the release of the 2070 some of those prices dropped. Therefore it is a valid observation that it did what it tended to do which is to keep prices High.:p
 
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Given that the 2080S launched $100 cheaper than the 2080 did, and the 2070S launched $100 cheaper than the 2070, I'm not sure how much that works...
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Not according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

The Google search results quoting that page are off, have a look at the table. Hell, the Nvidia Founders Supers were $100 more.
Jimmy Weirdarms said:
It looks much more like AMD spooked them, to me!
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That's the likely motivation. As I concurred with five8five, the Supers would have been a thing in the pipeline anyway, but the release time very much looks like a counter to the 5700 series, especially given the 2080 Super didn't show up for ages after (Radeon VII wasn't enough trouble to the 2080 to warrant a 2080 Super release at the same time).
 
Oh what shame it brings to spend over 1k for a video card that is about to be made obsolete by a lower tier, lower sku card at a cheaper price.
Be it by console, amd, nvidia themselves.

I guess, saying "I can afford it" loses merit when you can't afford it again without trying to recoup the cost spent the first time.

That's one of the benefits other options for gaming bring to the table.
No regrets at a lower price.
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LePhuronn said:
Not according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_20_series

The Google search results quoting that page are off, have a look at the table. Hell, the Nvidia Founders Supers were $100 more.
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Ah you're right ... the google results give you the founders edition prices, and they were $100 more than the base price for the non-founders cards.
(Though that table puts the founders 'supers' at the same launch price as the non-founders non-supers... soooo you're only half right!)

Feh, whatever...
 
EastCoastHandle said:
Oh what shame it brings to spend over 1k for a video card that is about to be made obsolete by a lower tier, lower sku card at a cheaper price.
Be it by console, amd, nvidia themselves.

I guess, saying "I can afford it" loses merit when you can't afford it again without trying to recoup the cost spent the first time.

That's one of the benefits other options for gaming bring to the table.
No regrets at a lower price.
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No regrets on the 2080 Ti here, had it over a year and it effectively cost me around £350 because it's a company purchase... If something massively faster comes out in a few months, the company may find it needs one of those too. Mind you, even the ticket price of the one I got wasn't over 1k.
 
FoxEye said:
Clever. Don't pay tax; abuse the company you work for.
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I own the company. My 2080 Ti does duty as a compute card in a workstation, amongst other things. No abuse here

FoxEye said:
I'm so glad people listened to you about "the politics of envy" and all that trash.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about the "politics of envy", you might have me confused with someone.

FoxEye said:
Or how companies wouldn't survive with your hard-earned funding their R&D.
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Pretty sure I didn't say that either.

FoxEye said:
"Do as I say, not as I do," springs to mind.
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Really, why?
I'd recommend to anyone wanting to learn OpenCL or Cuda and investigate AI/ML, and who runs a software business, to buy a card through their business in order to do R&D. It's a no-brainer.
 
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Deep Dive into the Xbox Series X architecture

Assuming that Toms hardware has done their maths correctly the GPU portion has an area of 171mm2 which seems incredibly tiny. (For reference 5700XT is 251mm2). Was it confirmed that big Navi is 80CU at 505mm2? Because it seems like they can pack more than 80CU on 505mm2 die
We can't compare the Raytracing figures because we do not know what the peak figures are for Turing and MS didn't specify typical performance.

Full presentation will be at 3AM
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Deep Dive into the Xbox Series X architecture

Assuming that Toms hardware has done their maths correctly the GPU portion has an area of 171mm2 which seems incredibly tiny. (For reference 5700XT is 251mm2). Was it confirmed that big Navi is 80CU at 505mm2? Because it seems like they can pack more than 80CU on 505mm2 die
We can't compare the Raytracing figures because we do not know what the peak figures are for Turing and MS didn't specify typical performance.

Full presentation will be at 3AM
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It was not confirmed no, there was a 505mm2 RDNA2 die leak or rumour, it was assumed 80 CU because 40 CU 251mm2 X2 = 80 CU 502mm2.
 
LePhuronn said:
Or maybe having a modicum of self-control? Why are you in such a rush to buy a GPU? You've had that 980Ti this long, what's another 4 months?

Besides, given the space invaders fiasco of Turing's launch, wouldn't you want to hold off and let any issues Nvidia have work themselves out? Would you also not want to wait until AMD get their cards out to see if Nvidia lower their prices? They certainly won't be pulling a Super refresh so soon, so if AMD truly are competitive then big ol Leather Jacker might have to drop a price or two.
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Don't be absurd!

No I know that's all reasonable advice. I also want to get my 970 back from my brother to put back in my htpc, and I'm giving him my 989ti when I upgrade.

If Nvidia launch and the card that gives the uplift I want is more than 6-700 quid then that'll be more than enough impetus to justify waiting. I do have a gsync monitor though so I'm kinda weighted towards Nvidia if there isn't much in it between them and AMD's offering in my price range.

Regardless, I'll be waiting for reviews and user feedback before buying anything. No day 1 purchases for me.
 
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