AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Grim5]

Under what metric though?
Because those same games are still coming from console. Which brings us back to 3dmark/superposition as a means to show what the performance on PC should look.

Developers will design their game engines to specifically cater to and take full advantage of console hardware. Leaving the PC to either adapt or use brute force to compensate. With console using RT, sparingly, and console games becoming more open world I don't see that changing any time soon to benefit PC. Either PC adapts to console Uarch or we will see more Flight Simulator 2020 benchmark results.

Right now Intel isn't even on board for pcie 4.0 yet. DDR5 is still a pipe dream and gpu prices reaching for the moon. So what do we do in the meantime as we wait 3 years for PC to finally "get it together"? It's a tough decision every PC enthusiast will be faced to make. It's a grim prospect right now.

Grim for you maybe, I'm waiting for new GPUs to drop so I can buy.

What your implying will not come to pass until consoles have PC level of flexibility - I.e full user control of the operating system, modifications and being able to swap in components to make it faster. In the meantime a lot of people will still choose the PC and right now PC component sales are only going up

 

[gpuerrilla]

What your implying will not come to pass until consoles have PC level of flexibility - I.e full user control of the operating system, modifications and being able to swap in components to make it faster. In the meantime a lot of people will still choose the PC

Aint gonna happen.

 

[Calin Banc]

Huh? What are you talking about?
The 5700 xt isn't a $1200 high end video card that can't do 60 FPS @ 1440p in a newly anticipated AAA gaming title (MS FS 2020). In which you are postulating as a value buy at a price suggested to be higher then 2070/2080 in a 3070/3080 simply because it's Ampere. Therefore, I don't see your point. But at this point this is becoming a circular argument.

2080ti can't do 60fps without drops for quite a while, this is no news. Being stronger that what a consoles offer (never mind PS 5 which is running behind even lower tier ones), means you can tweak settings here and there to hit that 60fps (or more). You can't do that on consoles because they are weaker (1), don't really provide those settings (2), other than perhaps game at a lower resolution, perhaps lower details as well.

Under what metric though?
Because those same games are still coming from console. Which brings us back to 3dmark/superposition as a means to show what the performance on PC should look.

Developers will design their game engines to specifically cater to and take full advantage of console hardware. Leaving the PC to either adapt or use brute force to compensate. With console using RT, sparingly, and console games becoming more open world I don't see that changing any time soon to benefit PC. Either PC adapts to console Uarch or we will see more Flight Simulator 2020 benchmark results.

Right now Intel isn't even on board for pcie 4.0 yet. DDR5 is still a pipe dream and gpu prices reaching for the moon. So what do we do in the meantime as we wait 3 years for PC to finally "get it together"? It's a tough decision every PC enthusiast will be faced to make. It's a grim prospect right now.

To what should PC adapt more exactly? If the GPU can calculate more rays/second will be faster than the consoles. Is that simple. Not sure, but I don't think devs have to do a lot more beyond telling the the game engine to make better/more precise calculation based on more rays/scene that faster GPUs will handle. That means better quality GI, reflections, shadows, etc. That in time will only get better with newer hardware while a consoles will be stuck with what it has now.

 

[Twinz]

Grim for you maybe, I'm waiting for new GPUs to drop so I can buy.

What, if anything, do you want the GPUs to do, and at what price..."so [you] can buy"?

I only ask because I see statements similar to this and it seems all these new GPUs have to do is be available for purchase. How they perform and what they cost doesn't appear to be relevant to some people.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Easy EastCoast, let pull up a chair and have a pint rest them blood vessels!

it's all good.

2080ti can't do 60fps without drops for quite some while, this is no news. Being stronger that what a consoles offer (never mind PS 5 which is running behind even lower tier ones), means you can tweak settings here and there to hit that 60fps (or more). You can't do that on consoles because they are weaker (1), don't really provide those settings (2), other than perhaps game at a lower resolution, perhaps lower details as well.



To what should PC adapt more exactly? If the GPU can calculate more rays/second will be faster than the consoles. Is that simple. Not sure, but I don't think devs have to do a lot more beyond telling the the game engine to make better/more precise calculation based on more rays/scene that faster GPUs will handle. That means better quality GI, reflections, shadows, etc. That in time will only get better with newer hardware while a consoles will be stuck with what it has now.

I'm sorry but this is very weak defense, circular in nature, to a gpu that cost $1200. And it's a weak argument to the inflated cost of GPU's in general. It neither justifies why a 2080ti isn't able to get 60 fps at 1440p. Nor does it justify why it's barely it's 30fps at 4k in FS2020 which was the argument against console peroformance at 4k/30 fps. Which was quite despised. Now that we see it on the 2080ti there is a lot of back pedaling, selective memory and moving the goal posts.
Oooowwweeeee

 

[Calin Banc]

AC: Valhalla will be stuck at 4k30fps while a 2080ti (or perhaps even lower), will be able to do 60fps with a some adjusted settings if not all settings full on. Console can't, PC can. Simple as that.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

he's saying that 3 years from now these consoles will be equal to low end pc hardware and he's right.

And 3 years from now how much will graphics cards cost? What's a 4060 going to cost? £500? £600? It doesn't matter that consoles will be equal to the low end when the low end hardware is no longer affordable.

Also it doesn't matter how fast PCs get in 3/5/7 years time, consoles are still the benchmark. If consoles do manage to get 4k60, then the only reason to buy a PC will be for 4k144 or 8k. As we all agree PC aren't really getting any special bells and whistles graphically, apart from a handfull of titles. And if more people are forced out of pc gaming towards console gaming, there will be even less of a reason for developers to invest that time. We shall see were gaming goes in this coming generation

you're right fundamentally multiplayer games use the same graphics on PC, the biggest difference being: PC you get native resolution all the time, you can make sure you get 60fps+, and you have freedom to make the image clean through high levels of anti aliasing and AF - consoles don't have those options

DLSS says hi. PC players cleary no longer care about native resolution. We have a thread were people are talking about how AMD needs a DLSS equivalent or else.

When i built my first PC 6 years ago the primary reasons people were saying to get into PC gaming were you can get a significantly better experience than consoles for a bit more money (the mid range). Now we are arguing about getting roughly equivalent experience for significantly more money. Yeah in 5 years time the costs might be equal. But why wait 5 years when you can start gaming from December this year.

 

[Grim5]

Ain't no consoles going to be doing 4K 60fps in large AAA games.

AC Valhalla = 30fps target and has last gen graphics

Resident Evil 8 currently in testing, testers report it's running at 10fps to 20fps and it's not even 4K on PS5 and 30fps is the targeT

Spiderman Miles Morales: 30fps target at 4K in PS5

Should I go on? Ratchet and clank, 30fps target at 4k. Demons Souls remake, 30fps target at 4K.

And the only high framerate game so far from Xbox series x is Ori and Will of the Wisps at 4k120 - big whoop, that's a small side scroller indie game and a 2080ti does 4K 200fps in that game.

The medium on series x? 30fps target at 4k

 

[FoxEye]

I find it strange that people consider £700 acceptable for a third tier card

Come the RTX 3000 release, you'll be fondly reminiscing about the time when you could get a 3rd tier card for £700, instead of £1700

 

[Dave2150]

Ain't no consoles going to be doing 4K 60fps in large AAA games.

AC Valhalla = 30fps target and has last gen graphics

Resident Evil 8 currently in testing, testers report it's running at 10fps to 20fps and it's not even 4K on PS5 and 30fps is the targeT

Spiderman Miles Morales: 30fps target at 4K in PS5

And the only high framerate game so far from Xbox series x is Ori and Will of the Wisps at 4k120 - big whoop, that's a side scroller indie game and my 2080ti does 4K 200fps in that game.

You sound very defensive when it comes to consoles. It's a very good thing if they do end up being extremely fast, as it should lower PC pricing.

As PC gamers, we should be hopeful that the consoles knock it out of the park.

 

[TNA]

Resident Evil 8 currently in testing, testers report it's running at 10fps to 20fps and it's not even 4K on PS5 and 30fps is the targeT

Link please

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Ain't no consoles going to be doing 4K 60fps in large AAA games.
The GPU in these consoles are better than a 5700xt (Assuming 0 IPC improvement from RDNA 1 to RDNA 2), all developers have to do is turn off the barely noticeable graphical settings and they wil have 4k60. We shall see what game devs decide to do.

AC Valhalla = 30fps target and has last gen graphics.
Because ubisoft is renown for pushing graphics? Also Destiny 2 will run at 4k 60 according to the devs.

Resident Evil 8 currently in testing, testers report it's running at 10fps to 20fps and it's not even 4K on PS5 and 30fps is the target
That was made up according to the update in this article

And the only high framerate game so far from Xbox series x is Ori and Will of the Wisps at 4k120 - big whoop, that's a side scroller indie game and my 2080ti does 4K 200fps in that game.
I highlighted the keyword for you. However I never mentioned anything about consoles doing 100+FPS

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Link please

It's fake.
https://www.svg.com/236277/leak-suggests-things-dont-look-good-for-ps5/

 

[TNA]

It's fake.
https://www.svg.com/236277/leak-suggests-things-dont-look-good-for-ps5/

These days people read and believe anything, then spread it around like fact

3090 £1999, DLSS better than native etc

 

[labbby]

Beat me to it, I can’t believe people take things that far

 

[gpuerrilla]

3090 £1999, DLSS better than native etc

Ha. Sometimes old Grim talks sense then he posts them factoids and you know they are debunked before you bother to read them. There is no way the PS5 is going to be gimped running these titles they will get panned to oblivion if they pull obvious shenanigans.

 

[TNA]

Ha. Sometimes old Grim talks sense then he posts them factoids and you know they are debunked before you bother to read them. There is no way the PS5 is going to be gimped running these titles they will get panned to oblivion if they pull obvious shenanigans.

Yea, I find at times he makes good posts and makes sense, other times it's like wtf... Lol

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Ah, grim at it again. But he will be back.

 

[Grim5]

You have failed to produce a list of AAA 4k 60fps next gen console games, please provide us with the rdna 2 glory

 

[LePhuronn]

You have failed to produce a list of AAA 4k 60fps next gen console games, please provide us with the rdna 2 glory

The consoles aren't even out yet. Give it a rest, yeah? You're not actually making a point.