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Jon Peddie Research: NVIDIA reaches 80% discrete GPU market share

When nvidia make a conscious decision to capitalise on their market position, it isn't anyone else's fault bar their own. It's like people think nvidia couldn't be responsible for their own actions purely because AMD exist. Crazy.

Yeah, if you're willing to pay whatever Nvidia charge, fine, that's your choice, i have no issue with that you have your own agency, those who don't like Nvidia's pricing structure forget AMD even exist, they might as well not because there is nothing AMD can do to help you with that.

If you want Nvidia's GPU's but don't like the prices turn your fury at Nvidia, a thousand threads on the internet about Nvidia's pricing will affect them in the same way a thousand threads about AMD's drivers affect them.
 
And tbf I may have to go for the Big Daddy 3090 due to m0000000sive res to drive :D

Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat. While certainly not my main squeeze, I do have a 65" LG C9 to power... that's 4k@120hz which I would like to actually use sometimes.. While I'd love to keep supporting AMD, I just think they're too underfunded to provide what I need at the top end now. Did it while I could, but I think the damage of the last 5-10 years of nVidia fanboyism that's allowed them to dominate so utterly has just become a mortal injury to RTG. If not for the C9, I'd probably at least wait for AMD's offering as my ultrawide doesn't need top-end oomph... but alas, I've backed myself into a corner and limited my own options :(
 
Sat slightly above the 2070, its gained about 10% vs Turing to put in line with the 2070S. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html

I'm not disagreeing AMD had their typical driver issues, and yes they put a blower cooler on it, yet again they haven't learned their lessons.

I experienced those driver issues in the first couple of weeks owning it, the cooler on mine is ASRocks problem, i changed the Tim for some generic MX4 i had laying around, dropped the temps by 15c, Its gone from bad but usable to pretty good.



It had hardly any Tim on it, it was so thin i could see the die cap through the Tim when i took the cooler off.

No one has been more critical than me about AMD in the last few years, coolers, Vega... its why i was with Nvidia for 4 years, lets judge AMD for what they do now, not then, my card was flawed its why it was £330, ASRock don't make it anymore.

Right now the 5700XT is a very good GPU, it always had that potential which is why i bought one, and there are some excellent AIB versions out there.

And lets not forget Nvidia have had problem with Turning, more 'Fatal' problems than AMD have had with Navi 10.

Butttttttttttt you did get a free game with it space invaders.
 
I detest the prices with a passion but what should I do? I really don't want to cut my nose off to spite my face and whilst it hurt paying £1300 for the Ti, I still did it. Of course I blame NVidia also and seeing prices still makes me sad and whilst I want cheaper GPUs for all, the lack of competition allows NVidia to get away with it.

Neither company give a **** about us and that is the sad fact! Business is cut throat and like I say at work to colleagues, we are just a number!

Do whatever you think is necessary, just don't blame AMD when nVidia set their own prices and you agree to pay them. You're right, neither of them care beyond taking our money. So either let them or don't :)
 
Failures on a small number of the lowest selling card (2080ti) is completely different to millions being affected by the broken 2020 adrenaline drivers, and the 6 months of broken RX5700 Navi drivers.

Surely you didn't miss the hundreds of articles of widespread driver issues, resulting in black screen, downclocking, stuttering, hardware acceleration being broken etc? Even /AMD on reddit was full of huge threads with fans of AMD complaining about the broken drivers.

I didn't miss anything, (I don't do reddit though). I was just pointing out the fact you chose to ignore the issue with the 2080ti failing (lowest selling card? I would call it the flagship top tier card myself) on release.
I'm not excusing AMDs driver issues as it appears after a few years of increasing confidence they have managed to put themselves back in that rabbit hole. But let's not pretend the RTX series launched without issues when doing release day comparisons.
 
we are just a number!

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Yeah, if they are the right price i think it will...
I would like to think you are right but I see little evidence whilst browsing the Gpu sub forum. All of us rightly complaining about the ridiculous prices we not only already have but are likely to continue to see, should, if we have any sense what so ever be buying Amd. 80 to 20% market share is pretty much a monopoly and Nvidia will continue to maximise this position to maximise revenue.

Sorry if people take offence but tough. Anybody paying these silly prices are quite rightly free to exercise free will, but as a consequence your short sightedness is ruining it for a lot of people. I’ve almost resigned to the fact that I am almost done with pc gaming. I can afford to upgrade but I pretty much refuse to. Such a shame but I just cannot justify these prices at all.
 
No surprise there. AMD's we are a premium brand (comes in 1-2 years late and demands near same moneys) is not working. They need to do a Ryzen or things wont change any time soon.

I recon they should get 4K8K in to head RTG :p

RTG needs a sane person with good negotiation skills in order to convince the OEMs to use RX 5600M instead of GTX 1660 Ti in their notebooks.
And to change the strategy, so the group begins designing what matters - not to be years behind both on the performance and feature set front.
 
AMD used rubbish reference coolers on the RX5700 series,the RX5600XT launch was terrible,and the 5500XT is a terrible and overpriced product. The 5500XT is not only shamed by Polaris being better value,the GTX1650 Super is cheaper than the 4GB model and the GTX1660 and GTX1660 Super cost the same as the 8GB model.

Then there were the driver issues people were reporting and AMD also got greedy. Leaks showed the RX5700XT was going to be called an RX680 with probably lower pricing. Yet when they saw Turing launch,they jacked up pricing,and were forced to drop pricing more,when Nvidia dropped RTX2060 pricing. As much as I think RTX was overblown,Nvidia had basic RT,and also better DX12 features such as VRS,etc also. Navi is worse specified in these areas.

The issue is apart from some very good reference RX5700 deals,Nvidia wasn't massively more expensive in many areas.

The fact is AMD needs to do what ATI does,and have a good launch,not use rubbish coolers and stop all this rubbish "we are a premium brand" idea. Ryzen wasn't as good as Skylake but AMD priced it much lower,and added platform benefits,decent stock coolers,etc. If they want to price closer to Nvidia,they need to have better launches and simply better products. If they want to make their products more expensive,it means people like me who go by price/performance will also look at Nvidia offerings.

Its quite clear despite everyone blaming Raja Koduri,that even nearly three years after he left,AMD are heading for another bout of sub 20% sales share,which Polaris didn't have. They are doing this during a pandemic where more people are staying at home,and more GPUs are being sold. This shows they still have deep problems in being able to actually make a coherent launch,and have a coherent lineup of GPUs.

It is an utter disaster that in 12 months their sales share has plummeted by 33% and this is with Turing which was incredibly overpriced. Last time Nvidia tried that with the GTX200 series,ATI managed to use the HD4870 to at least keep some share,this time RTG has managed to make ovepriced Turing crater their own sales.

If they don't get their arse into gear,RDNA2.0 will become another failure. Nvidia is literally giving RTG chances(Turing having a price hike,not fully supported features and mediocre generational improvements),and this time it looks like Ampere might be a chunky chappy consuming a lot of power. Yet,RTG seems unable to even launch their own products in a properly working order.

Look at laptops?? How many AMD dGPUs do you find in AMD Zen laptops?? Its a joke,that Zen is helping sell more Nvidia dGPUs. There seems to be wonky crosstalk between the CPU and GPU divisions,even though there was noise of closer integration.

They have no excuse now,with the positive PR of Zen as a brand,and actually having more money to spend.
 
They have no excuse now,with the positive PR of Zen as a brand,and actually having more money to spend.

AMD Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2020 $609
2019 $341
2018 $337
2017 $-33
2016 $-498
2015 $-660

NVIDIA Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2020 $2,796
2019 $4,141
2018 $3,047
2017 $1,666
2016 $614
2015 $631


Where's this money AMD have to spend?
 
Yep and they have to divide that between the cpu and gpu space fighting two behemoths in Intel and Nvidia.

Frankly it’s amazing they can even compete at all.
 
So 80% are encouraging price rises.
20%
I would like to think you are right but I see little evidence whilst browsing the Gpu sub forum. All of us rightly complaining about the ridiculous prices we not only already have but are likely to continue to see, should, if we have any sense what so ever be buying Amd. 80 to 20% market share is pretty much a monopoly and Nvidia will continue to maximise this position to maximise revenue.

Sorry if people take offence but tough. Anybody paying these silly prices are quite rightly free to exercise free will, but as a consequence your short sightedness is ruining it for a lot of people. I’ve almost resigned to the fact that I am almost done with pc gaming. I can afford to upgrade but I pretty much refuse to. Such a shame but I just cannot justify these prices at all.

Exactly, Nvidia are just reacting to demand.

If Nvidia lowered their prices by the amount that people are asking, their market share would rise, approaching 100%. That would be devastating for the market. Absolutely devastating. Why can't people see that?

Not only do we need competing products from AMD and Intel, but we also need people to buy thrm. That's the answer to sort this mess.
 
RTG needs a sane person with good negotiation skills in order to convince the OEMs to use RX 5600M instead of GTX 1660 Ti in their notebooks.
And to change the strategy, so the group begins designing what matters - not to be years behind both on the performance and feature set front.
Have you sent your CV to Lisa yet? :p
 
RTG needs a sane person with good negotiation skills in order to convince the OEMs to use RX 5600M instead of GTX 1660 Ti in their notebooks.
And to change the strategy, so the group begins designing what matters - not to be years behind both on the performance and feature set front.


:rolleyes: Deluded.
 
AMD Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2020 $609
2019 $341
2018 $337
2017 $-33
2016 $-498
2015 $-660

NVIDIA Annual Net Income
(Millions of US $)

2020 $2,796
2019 $4,141
2018 $3,047
2017 $1,666
2016 $614
2015 $631


Where's this money AMD have to spend?

They are competing against other companies so can't keep expecting sympathy from buyers for the failures.

You need to spend money to make money,or should they have just done what you are implying and not bother spending on Zen R and D?? That is what AMD was doing since 2015 to 2017 when they had no money. AMD CPUs were criticised for years as being subpar and rubbish,and people stopped buying them. AMD ended up having to find money,and improve their CPUs to get more sales.

The same Intel with massive brand recognition like Nvidia,who played much dirtier than Nvidia did.

Now they are hitting record revenues,and are profitable,so there is no excuse to not get their GPU house in order if they want sales. They have the money to actually have more refined launches,better coolers,etc. Half the problems are not even the GPUs themselves,but the launches and the way the reference models are implemented.

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Highest cash reserves for 14 years.

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Highest yearly revenues. Highest net revenues since 2011.

AMD revenues and profits are at highs which have not been seen for nearly a decade,and before 2015 they did better with GPUs WITH LESS MONEY.

They have more than enough money to spend on making launches better,better coolers and drivers. Poor launches,poor coolers and other idiot moves which have seem more down to poor communications between engineering and marketing.

Most of the money is developing the uarchs,etc. Yet repeatedly the launches are dogged by one problem after another.

If they don't improve then they will end up with 10% marketshare. They have zero excuse now to not improve in these areas. If not they are literally throwing away potential sales. Vega and Polaris together had more sales share it appear.

ATI also had less money than Nvidia,yet consistently kept over 30% sales marketshare.

So 80% are encouraging price rises.
20%


Exactly, Nvidia are just reacting to demand.

If Nvidia lowered their prices by the amount that people are asking, their market share would rise, approaching 100%. That would be devastating for the market. Absolutely devastating. Why can't people see that?

Not only do we need competing products from AMD and Intel, but we also need people to buy thrm. That's the answer to sort this mess.

ATI had 30~50% sales share of the GPU market since the 9700 PRO days,and yet under AMD,their graphics division hit 17% at one point and looks like it will again dip under 20% it appears.

Ever since the R9 290 and its crap cooler,AMD hasn't had many launches without had some big problem.

Lets look at it then:
1.)R9 290 had a crap cooler which made it run hot,etc.
2.)R9 285,didn't improve on R9 280X and had same performance/watt when Maxwell was beating it
3.)R7 260X didn't achieve anything,when the R7 265 was faster and better performance/watt
4.)Fury X had cooler problems due to no QC/QA. Fury was better,but wasn't barely better price/performance than a GTX980
5.)R9 380/R9 380X was OK but didn't add much over R9 280/280X and performance/watt stagnated
6.)RX470/RX480 had crap reference cooler and PCI-E problems,even though it was decent GPU
5.)RX460 was OK but lack of bus powered models affected its value against GTX1050
6.)RX570/RX580/RX590 for a few percent extra performance drank power
7.)RX560/RX550 was OK
9.)Vega56 and Vega64 post launch prices were fail,as it was uneconomical to make. Stock coolers again were rubbish. Vega64 consumed way too much power.
10.)RX5700/RX5700XT had mediocre stock coolers. Drivers had bugs. Was meant to be RX680 but AMD saw what Nvidia did and did a Rebrandeon.
11.)RX5600XT BIOS fiasco. Even now not all RX5600XT cards can run the faster RAM.
12/)RX5500XT was overpriced. 4GB model had problems and costs more than GTX1650 Super.

Some of the models launched hardly improved on the ones they replaced,but instead competed with them. If it was about resources one has to question the point of GPUs such as the R7 260X,RX5500XT,etc.

Navi is OK,but as usual AMD screws up all three launches in some stupid way,either with horrible stock coolers,driver bugs,PCI-E issues,etc.

Nvidia screws up too,but they are far more consistent in getting stuff out,and most of their launches seem less problematic.

But even with one of the most problematic launches Nvidia had in years with Turing,with RTX2080TI failures,lack of proper RT/DLSS support for ages,high prices,and mediocre performance jumps,RTG still found some way to make Navi look unappealing.

20% marketshare is less than what RTG had with Polaris and Vega...! So Pascal is relatively less of a success for Nvidia(vs AMD),than Turing was.

If you listen to Jim from AdoredTV and other tech reviewers,they have tried their best to give AMD some feedback,but it appears AMD never listens,and again the same problems repeat themselves.

This is not just money,but something is not working very well,for them to not fix blatant problems. The reference coolers are one of them.
 
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