AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

At least the RTX3080 is based on the larger die this generation. Which is a good move.

I was hoping the new Nvidia cards would be a disappointment so AMD can wreak havoc with big navi and take back market share. I'm worried for them.

TBF,if you compared the Nvidia flagships when they move to a new node,there should be around a 70% improvement.

IIRC,the GTX780TI was around that much faster than the GTX580,and the GTX1080TI was similar compared to a GTX980TI.

Also the GTX670 was faster than the GTX580,and the GTX1070 faster than the GTX980TI.

So going by that,it would make sense the RTX3070 is faster than a RTX2080TI.

Edit!!

Also,the fact is a RTX2080TI is 42% faster than a 40CU RX5700XT at qHD according to TPU.

So if AMD doubles the CU count,etc then realistically they should easily beat an RTX2080TI.

Instead of perfect 2X scaling,lets say its 1.8X,so that should make an 80CU part at least 30% faster than an RTX2080TI,and that assumes no IPC improvements or clockspeed improvements.

If an 80CU RDNA2 part cannot beat an RTX2080TI by at least 30% something has gone wrong.

 

[4K8KW10]

Microsoft® DirectX® Raytracing (DXR) adds a new level of graphics realism to video games
previously only available in movies, and AMD has collaborated with Microsoft on the design of DXR 1.1,
an update to DXR that can deliver better efficiency and performance in many raytracing effects.
This video is to give you a taste of the photorealistic realism DXR 1.1 will enable when using hardware-accelerated raytracing
on our upcoming AMD RDNA 2 gaming architecture.

https://community.amd.com/community...suals-with-amd-rdna-2-and-directx-12-ultimate

If you can run this Demo on RTX 3000 and then compare framerates.

 

[beany_bot]

I meant unless AMD release tomorrow.

 

[Martini1991]

The 3080 is potentially twice as powerful as the 5700XT, at least in some games.

Now *that* is going to be a problem.

The cheapest 5700XT on OCUK is only £70 less than the 3070 which is like 40-50% faster too lol.

That's going to hit them *hard*.

Throw in a 3060 before AMD have launched their new cards and why would anyone buy AMD?

*Headshot*

Assuming of course that Nvidia's slides were close to reality.

 

[RavenXXX2]

AMD are use to discounting ****.

 

[humbug]

https://twitter.com/CryptoKnight6/status/1300844535078027264

https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1300845839003205633

Bloody hell.... these guys are way too sucked into Leather Jacket marketing.

They are all going to get a sock when the reviews come out.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

The 3080 is potentially twice as powerful as the 5700XT, at least in some games.

Now *that* is going to be a problem.

The cheapest 5700XT on OCUK is only £70 less than the 3070 which is like 40-50% faster too lol.

That's going to hit them *hard*.

Throw in a 3060 before AMD have launched their new cards and why would anyone buy AMD?

*Headshot*

This reads very pro Nvidia, but you are right. This happens every time a new generation begins though so it's not really a surprise.

There is almost always a few months between one company releasing their new cards and then the other company doing it. The old gen cards will have no real value unless their prices are slashed.

 

[Relentless81]

So glad I didnt pick up a 5700XT I had one in my basket and nearly bought off the MM a coupe of times but I held off and that will pay off soon with either a 3070 or whatever AMDs equivalent is.

 

[4K8KW10]

The 3080 is potentially twice as powerful as the 5700XT, at least in some games.

Rumour mill:
Navi 10 is 251 sq. mm with performance 100% at 225-watt rated.
If normalised for the factory overvolting and overclocking, its TDP should be not higher than 180-190-watt.
Navi 21 is 505 sq. mm with performance at least 50% higher performance per watt.
180-190-watt for 50% higher performance than Navi 10.
If you scale that to 300 or 350-watt how much higher would you go?

I may sound insane but it's possible than Navi 21 is 2.2-2.4X faster than Navi 10.

 

[Martini1991]

This reads very pro Nvidia, but you are right. This happens every time a new generation begins though so it's not really a surprise.

There is almost always a few months between one company releasing their new cards and then the other company doing it. The old gen cards will have no real value unless their prices are slashed.

I'd rather be a console gamer than Pro Nvidia
I've seen the odd example, like the ATI 5870 versus the GTX 285 and the 7970 versus the GTX580.

But I don't think I've ever really seen it anytime in the last 5 years, or from Nvidia.

 

[Martini1991]

So glad I didnt pick up a 5700XT I had one in my basket and nearly bought off the MM a coupe of times but I held off and that will pay off soon with either a 3070 or whatever AMDs equivalent is.

The 5700XT was "okay" at launch. But right now I don't think it's worth it considering the 3070.
I've had mine since July 2019, and I'm so-so about offing it for a 3070 and then going for something better in 2021 when I move.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The 3080 is potentially twice as powerful as the 5700XT, at least in some games.

Now *that* is going to be a problem.

The cheapest 5700XT on OCUK is only £70 less than the 3070 which is like 40-50% faster too lol.

That's going to hit them *hard*.

Throw in a 3060 before AMD have launched their new cards and why would anyone buy AMD?

*Headshot*

Assuming of course that Nvidia's slides were close to reality.

TBF,AMD is probably making lots on the RX5700XT now as 7NM is not really cutting edge anymore. AMD is using a small 250MM2 7NM die which is more like Polaris,and I suspect the GA104 is signficantly larger,ie,probably closer to 350MM2. TSMC yields tend to be much better than Samsung too. Doesn't the RTX3070 also have faster GDDR6 too??

Considering before the current problems you could get a reference RX5700 for nearly £250,I think they can probably drop prices a lot. Either way,once they launch the consoles,and the new GPUs,the RX5700XT will look old hat.

However,you need to address the massive stocks of Turing too. Even the RTX2080TI with its huge 754MM2 GPU and 11GB of GDDR6,won't be worth much more than an RTX3070!

So what about all the Turing stock?? Nvidia has just made lots of it also unsellable at current pricing!

Bloody hell.... these guys are way too sucked into Leather Jacket marketing.

They are all going to get a sock when the reviews come out.

It's happening here too,ie,people won't wait as the presentation was enough to sway them. So AMD needs to do something to keep focus on AMD.

 

[RBImGuy]

TBF,AMD is probably making lots on the RX5700XT now as 7NM is not really cutting edge anymore. AMD is using a small 250MM2 7NM die which is more like Polaris,and I suspect the GA104 is signficantly larger,ie,probably closer to 350MM2. TSMC yields tend to be much better than Samsung too. Doesn't the RTX3070 also have faster GDDR6 too??

Considering before the current problems you could get a reference RX5700 for nearly £250,I think they can probably drop prices a lot. Either way,once they launch the consoles,and the new GPUs,the RX5700XT will look old hat.

However,you need to address the massive stocks of Turing too. Even the RTX2080TI with its huge 754MM2 GPU and 11GB of GDDR6,won't be worth much more than an RTX3070!

So what about all the Turing stock?? Nvidia has just made lots of it also unsellable at current pricing!



It's happening here too,ie,people won't wait as the presentation was enough to sway them. So AMD needs to do something to keep focus on AMD.

Nvidia killed all Turing sales with a $500 3070 alongside the 5700xt which is now going to see a drop in price to $300 or such.
AMD will respond question is just, when and with what

 

[Martini1991]

Maybe people will get some bargains as places clear old stock lol.
And AMD can lower their Navi pricing for uber deals.

 

[humbug]

Nvidia killed all Turing sales with a $500 3070 alongside the 5700xt which is now going to see a drop in price to $300 or such.
AMD will respond question is just, when and with what

I hope AMD do more than just sit silently on their hands and think..... this is fine....

 

[RBImGuy]

I hope AMD do more than just sit silently on their hands and think..... this is fine....

They likely watched the event
In full meeting atm prepping the secret sauce

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Nvidia killed all Turing sales with a $500 3070 alongside the 5700xt which is now going to see a drop in price to $300 or such.
AMD will respond question is just, when and with what

The RX5700XT was apparently the RX680/RX690 anyway. So it should be sub £300 by now anyway. Turing helped AMD with margins too!

 

[humbug]

They likely watched the event
In full meeting atm prepping the secret sauce

Yeah, well. This is AMD, they don't have much urgency about them, they have a habit of sitting on their hands deluding themselves everything is fine.

Already, right now, the amount of noise coming out of AMD should be deafening, they should be doing all they can to take some of the attention away from Nvidia, its exactly what Intel and Nvidia would be doing.

Silence.

 

[Martini1991]

Yeah, well. This is AMD, they don't have much urgency about them, they have a habit of sitting on their hands deluding themselves everything is fine.

Already, right now, the amount of noise coming out of AMD should be deafening, they should be doing all they can to take some of the attention away from Nvidia, its exactly what Intel and Nvidia would be doing.

Silence.

Ha ha, give them a bit of time at least.

Hopefully AMD have something concrete at the end of the month, or the 3070 launch in October's going to be painful.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

well they have the date the pre-orders for Ampere go live so it's up to them to do something before people pull the trigger. That is if they have something to offer.