NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

Poneros · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:57

opethdisciple said:
Yea that's a question I am looking for an answer for. But how much faster is a PCIe3 vs PCIe4 NVME?

I would have thought the whole point of this technology is to get the most out of what is available and avoid the IO bottleneck.

I have a 970 Evo nvme which is fast. I cant imagine it's not 'fast enough'.

PCIe 4.0 can be much faster, especially once they get new controllers out (7 GB/s expected (vs 5 GB/s 3.0 4x maximum)), but really the question is 'how fast does it need to be?' because it's not like you can use faster storage for anything more once you get to a certain point, unlike GPU (where you can always push more frames/higher res). After all, the XSX SSD is only like 2.5 GB/s.

jonneymendoza · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:57

Gerard said:
Proper embedded version of FE airflow diagram.

You see a massive problem there mate. Any air cooled CPU is going to get all that hot air coming from the top of the 3000 series card

jonneymendoza · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:58

deuse said:
The Intel Core i9 10900K is the best gaming cpu.

by how much? even a 0.0001 % gain on the best AMD makes your statement true.

My question is, by how much?

Blowsy · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:59

EastCoastHandle said:
So the question now. Since we know, at the very least, that if RDNA 2 beats both 3070/3080 Nvidia will:
-Reduce prices
-Provide super duper variants at the same price point of the 3070/3080 but mush faster/more vram

Which would diminish the invest early adapters made just to say, I got mine 1st!

doesn’t seem likely that AmD will have anything to rival 3090, so doubt price would move on that in the shorter term, but agree on other points

OZONE · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:59

orbitalwalsh said:
@GIGA-Man is Aorus still 4 yr warranty ?

Your the best rep on here and do resellers work most of the time haha

I meant the RMA process etc.

Is there a company to specifically avoid when it comes to product support?

Right now I'm eyeing the EVGA, MSI or Gigabyte cards. EVGA is currently my 'favourite' but I've never actually had to deal with their customer support.

Gerard · 2 Sep 2020 at 15:59

jonneymendoza said:
You see a massive problem there mate. Any air cooled CPU is going to get all that hot air coming from the top of the 3000 series card

Depends really on how hot the air gets, the rear fan is closer to the gpu so presumably that's where most of the heat will be. If anything it will generate less heat inside the case than an open air cooler as they dump all the heat into the case, whereas this is ejecting some out the back.

Chuk_Chuk · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

Blowsy said:
(Un)Humble brag:

Since putting a spreadbet on Nvidia shares at 12:45pm yesterday at £1/pt. I have just closed a £2,088 gain.

Thanks for the free 3090 Nvidia... plus change towards a Ryzen Zen3 in a few months

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you intially put down?

IvanDobskey · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

Stretlow said:
I've got the same PSU but looking at getting the 3080, not sure its going to be enough

I guess depends on the rest of your system. I reckon I may be pushing it for a 3080 along with my 3900x

deuse · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

jonneymendoza said:
by how much? even a 0.0001 % gain on the best AMD makes your statement true.

My question is, by how much?

That would depend on the game and what rez.

Chuk_Chuk · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

GuruJockStrap said:
Peasants like me can't afford or won't spend £479 to get a 3070 and entry into the Ampere world.

Do you reckon we'll get a 3060 type card?

Yes, probably in Q1 2021 though

benjii · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

Blowsy said:
doesn’t seem likely that AmD will have anything to rival 3090, so doubt price would move on that in the shorter term, but agree on other points

Even Nvidia don't want to try rivalling it. Hence why they said the 3080 was their new flagship GPU. If they acknowledged the 3090 for gaming, they'd have to try and justify the price.

Armageus · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:00

Mullins said:
Might have to look at upgrading the rest of my system when games start to come out next year that start to properly utilise this new tech. I am still using a z87 based board and the only way I can get nvme is by gimping my graphics card slot to pcie 3.0x8 and then I could use an expansion card to get a nvme drive running at 2.0x4 but I don’t think that would really be worth it, thoughts?

Definitely worth moving to a newer platform - I'd imagine your CPU while still fairly capable will become more of a bottleneck going forward.

Kelt · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:01

jonneymendoza said:
You see a massive problem there mate. Any air cooled CPU is going to get all that hot air coming from the top of the 3000 series card

I honestly don't see it being a problem.

Nvidia will have done their research, no doubt.

opethdisciple · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:01

EastCoastHandle said:
So the question now. Since we know, at the very least, that if RDNA 2 beats both 3070/3080 Nvidia will:
-Reduce prices
-Provide super duper variants at the same price point of the 3070/3080 but mush faster/more vram

Which would diminish the invest early adapters made just to say, I got mine 1st!

Meh. Who cares frankly. You buy something if you need it. We know there will probably be Supers and we know there will be a 4000 series too. But if you need a card now and this literally just launched it's not a bad time to buy.

I am only on the market for an Nvidia card any way as I am bound to Gysnc so what AMD delivers doesn't impact me other than prices.

Greebo · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:01

Ayahuasca said:
Check MM for current state of offers

I do think the guy who keeps offering £180 for every 2080ti is a troll and needs banning tbh. We all know they have devalued but if a 2080ti is only worth £180 then a 2080 is only worth £130 and a 2070 is only £80 which is ridiculous.

Poneros · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:02

jonneymendoza said:
by how much? even a 0.0001 % gain on the best AMD makes your statement true.

My question is, by how much?

By a lot.

https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Doom...ra-Nightmare-Tuning-Tipps-Benchmarks-1345721/

Seb.F · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:02

Kelt said:
I honestly don't see it being a problem.

Nvidia will have done their research, no doubt.

Yeah, I'm not going to speculate until some actual evidence comes along. All I'm going to say is I'd find it slightly strange if one of the biggest desktop PC GPU manufacturers in the world didn't have one person raise this as a concern.

Armageus · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:02

Greebo said:
I do think the guy who keeps offering £180 for every 2080ti is a troll and needs banning tbh. We all know they have devalued but if a 2080ti is only worth £180 then a 2080 is only worth £130 and a 2070 is only £80 which is ridiculous.

It's been dealt with

RavenXXX2 · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:03

at 720p lol.

opethdisciple · 2 Sep 2020 at 16:03

Poneros said:
PCIe 4.0 can be much faster, especially once they get new controllers out (7 GB/s expected (vs 5 GB/s 3.0 4x maximum)), but really the question is 'how fast does it need to be?' because it's not like you can use faster storage for anything more once you get to a certain point, unlike GPU (where you can always push more frames/higher res). After all, the XSX SSD is only like 2.5 GB/s.

Exactly. So it's quite possible that the NVME I already have will be fine. But we don't know yet until we get games and see what is what.

Not until 2021 anyway.