AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[TNA]

Apparently,the lead programmer at id Software has said,8GB of VRAM will be low end/entry level for games under 4K.

The question is how does RTX IO impact this. It is still not clear to me if that will help with not needing as much VRAM. I mean every game I have now in my steam library will work perfectly fine with 10gb I would imagine. So that ain’t a issue. Then as long as future triple A games makes use of RTX IO then it may work out fine until next gen comes out anyway.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The question is how does RTX IO impact this. It is still not clear to me if that will help with not needing as much VRAM. I mean every game I have now in my steam library will work perfectly fine with 10gb I would imagine. So that ain’t a issue. Then as long as future triple A games makes use of RTX IO then it may work out fine until next gen comes out anyway.

He made the 8GB comment in reply to someone who mentioned RTX IO. BTW,RTX IO is just MS Directstorage with a new name. Also AMD GPUs as far back as Polaris could address SSDs directly - Radeon SSG is an example.

 

[Firegod]

I just can't believe people would buy a new card without first seeing what the competition has (and we're not talking a long time until that happens) and then seeing some benchmarks comparing the cards, before making an informed decision.

As mentioned already, there is a lot of just "buy buy buy" and reading the other Nvidia thread was just funny at times. Some good comments in it though as well. Regardless of the price, regardless of the power draw, regardless of the size, there are just some people who just blindly buy it because you know... it's Nvidia. I did chuckle to myself when I saw the PSU requirements as well. I've been told that 1200w (which I have, is overkill) and just to stick with the usual ~700w. Pretty glad I didn't listen to any of that advice and went with my gut to future proof the system / add longevity to a crucial component... after all, PSU's can go 10+ years quite happily, so why restrict yourself (get the most you can afford). PSUs are most efficient with a nice bit of headroom. I believe anything over 50-60% load and that efficiency drops away. I had similar experience with going with 32GB of RAM over 16GB and now I'm seeing more and more threads appear asking about going to 32GB.

People have no problem throwing a lot of money at a GPU but neglect other areas of their rig. So as others have mentioned, I'll be waiting for AMD's news, some benchmarks of everything, and then deciding between the lot.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I just can't believe people would buy a new card without first seeing what the competition has (and we're not talking a long time until that happens) and then seeing some benchmarks comparing the cards, before making an informed decision.

As mentioned already, there is a lot of just "buy buy buy" and reading the other Nvidia thread was just funny at times. Some good comments in it though as well. Regardless of the price, regardless of the power draw, regardless of the size, there are just some people who just blindly buy it because you know... it's Nvidia. I did chuckle to myself when I saw the PSU requirements as well. I've been told that 1200w (which I have, is overkill) and just to stick with the usual ~700w. Pretty glad I didn't listen to any of that advice and went with my gut to future proof the system / add longevity to a crucial component... after all, PSU's can go 10+ years quite happily, so why restrict yourself (get the most you can afford). PSUs are most efficient with a nice bit of headroom. I believe anything over 50-60% load and that efficiency drops away. I had similar experience with going with 32GB of RAM over 16GB and now I'm seeing more and more threads appear asking about going to 32GB.

People have no problem throwing a lot of money at a GPU but neglect other areas of their rig. So as others have mentioned, I'll be waiting for AMD's news, some benchmarks of everything, and then deciding between the lot.

People have zero patience nowadays as they fear they will "miss out".

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I came across this post on reddit and there was a section that caught my eye. the final 2 paragrahps are the important bit but the rest is necessary for context.

IPC is a measure how many instructions are done per cycle or clock. However, destructuring that even more is something we can't actually do, but matters even more.

Let's go a bit deeper into this. If your IPC is 1, and your frequency is 1 Hz, it means you are firing off an instruction that handles any of the required processes to render an image - once every single second. However, there is a metric in there that is not exactly forgotten about, but something that's hard to quantify - are those instructions good.

Let's say you have a kids toy puzzle - the one in which you insert different shapes in their respective holes. The IPC would be how often you attempt to put in a shape, and the instruction is what determines which shape goes where. You can try to do a LOT of different combinations, and the faster you do it, the higher your instructions per cycle are. However, getting those shapes right in the first few tries.
To clear this up - this is a very simplistic explanation of the relation between the two - and it's definitely not the best but it works well enough.

Okay, so - now that you sort of know what's going on under the hood, you can tie together a few things: *Drivers are definitely tied to this. If your instruction set gets a null pointer - something the GPU is not "trained/instructed" to do, you get a black screen.
*Having outdated instruction sets can also cause you to slow down the processing of the image, causing performance stutters. *Drivers are easier to create and fix when you don't have a lot of exceptions, null pointers, many-to-many relations and other stuff that is probably not relevant to you. *RNDA1 was a problematic architecture for this reason, among others. It incorporates RDNA and GCN elements, causing basically mass hysteria and confusion on the poor lil PCB, what results in crashes and whatnot.

This obviously means that THIS should no longer be a problem with RDNA2 - for humans it's like trying to make coherent sentences in 2-3 different languages, and one of them you know by watching anime regardless of how savory it is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/il8455/rdna2_vs_rtx_3000_what_the_future_holds/


Hopefully getting rid of the last remains of GCN from RDNA will help it bring out its full potential.

 

[TNA]

He made the 8GB comment in reply to someone who mentioned RTX IO. BTW,RTX IO is just MS Directstorage with a new name. Also AMD GPUs as far back as Polaris could address SSDs directly - Radeon SSG is an example.

Yea I am aware.

Interesting, depending on what info comes out I may just go for a 3070 Super instead. 16GB should be plenty fine for the next few years.

 

[LePhuronn]

My position is, they need to say something in the next 14 days. If not then they are not doing themselves any favors, unless something has gone wrong and they do not want to say.

Exactly my stance.

Now this makes sense. Waiting a week or so for things to cool down would be good. But they should announce a date for this soon.

Waiting to wait: Gotta hold off on the Ampere hype before even saying "we have a date to say something", and then wait for them to say something

 

[elroberto]

I agree with this... kinda sit back and see what you play and what res ... also what power supply you have and CPU etc.... running some old quad core ain't gonna cut it... although saying that with the new interface maybe CPU bottlenecks will become a thing of the past now????


if people are running 1080P, forget upgraces abosolute waste of money imho... but those who want those 1500-200fps maxed in 4k... this is what these cards are now targetting... it's the first true jump I think in around 5 years now where we're now pushing that gamers will and can run mega fps at 4k instead of having to reduce res down to 1080p which lets be honest has had it's day! It's took long enough...

I think we'll find the market shifting due to this generation of cards. 1440p will be a lot more prevalent and the defacto standard for gaming as well as the starting point for most gaming benchmarks and 4k is finally coming into its own. While I wish they were all hundreds cheaper it's getting back to where the market should be.

 

[Firegod]

People have zero patience nowadays as they fear they will "miss out".

I think so as well. I mean, yes, having something new is nice. But blindly throwing a lot of money at something without being as informed as possible is just silly. Guess it's just bragging rights. I don't want to be biased to either AMD or Nvidia, get what works best for you at the end of the day. We're all here to game. But so far if I'm being honest, the new Nvidia card has some negatives. Says me running a Vega GPU.

 

[shankly1985]

Frank Azor

@AzorFrank

Nice launch from@Nvidia yesterday on their new graphics cards, they are going to pair well with our latest@AMDRyzen CPUs. I can’t wait to show you all the great products our@Radeon team has been working on! What an awesome year to be a gamer!!!

 

[FoxEye]

If AMD can sell systems with a 3600/4600 Ryzen CPU and a great value £2-300 GPU I don't think most people will care.

I'd love for this to be the case, but doesn't the 5700/5700XT show that AMD is also eyeing up the £400+ market?

Some people said that card was supposed to be the 680 (and much cheaper) - I'm not so sure if it was or not.

But we've had the 480/580 for a while, then the only cards AMD released since were £350+ cards.

In short, I'm not sure if either nV or AMD care about selling £200-£300 cards, really. They would both probably much rather push you up to £500+ tier, if they think they can.

And a great way to do that is to stagnate the hell out of the £200-£300 price range.

 

[Martini1991]

SO WAIT. Comprende? All this "I buy what's best, I like AMD, but I'm not going to wait" is starting to sound like the GPU equivalent of "I'm not racist, but...". it's deluded hypocrisy.

Waiting sometimes isn't exactly viable.
I mean if you'd waited on Vega 64/56 you'd be annoyed lol.

Arguably people have already waited over a year for big Navi as is.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I came across this post on reddit and there was a section that caught my eye. the final 2 paragrahps are the important bit but the rest is necessary for context.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/il8455/rdna2_vs_rtx_3000_what_the_future_holds/


Hopefully getting rid of the last remains of GCN from RDNA will help it bring out its full potential.

It would be interesting if that was the case,as it would indicated an RDNA2 GPU with the same core configuration as a 5700XT would be faster!

Yea I am aware.

Interesting, depending on what info comes out I may just go for a 3070 Super instead. 16GB should be plenty fine for the next few years.

Lenovo already leaked the RTX3070TI 16GB!!

I think so as well. I mean, yes, having something new is nice. But blindly throwing a lot of money at something without being as informed as possible is just silly. Guess it's just bragging rights. I don't want to be biased to either AMD or Nvidia, get what works best for you at the end of the day. We're all here to game. But so far if I'm being honest, the new Nvidia card has some negatives. Says me running a Vega GPU.

Problem is that nowadays people get into so much debt,because they have to get that "hit" all the time. Also,it ends up with you not getting the best usage out of what you have,or even sizing up all the available options too.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I'd love for this to be the case, but doesn't the 5700/5700XT show that AMD is also eyeing up the £400+ market?

I dunno, AMD recently released the 5300 right? To me that sits rightly with the 5700's coming down the price range. So push each tier down another £100 and then that leaves two or three to go in at the £450-800 ranges. Unless they pull off a blinder, I doubt they have a 3900 performer, but will have a quality competitor to the 3700/3800.

 

[FoxEye]

I dunno, AMD recently released the 5300 right? To me that sits rightly with the 5700's coming down the price range. So push each tier down another £100 and then that leaves two or three to go in at the £450-800 ranges. Unless they pull off a blinder, I doubt they have a 3900 performer, but will have a quality competitor to the 3700/3800.

Well just looking at the 5600XT, rrp 279. Same performance +- a few % as the Vega 56, rrp 300 (for the Pulse).

Whilst AMD might have a new offering in the 200-300 range, it might also stagnate the hell out of that segment again.

To push people higher up the stack.

I mean, it works for nVidia, right? People are moving up the nV stack every time Jensen appears on the box Now everybody is buying the 3080

 

[gpuerrilla]

I mean, it works for nVidia, right? People are moving up the nV stack every time Jensen appears on the box Now everybody is buying the 3080

Yeah they have been creeping up, and I blame the Ti/Supers for that. In essence, they are what the originals should have been yet people get attracted to the 'increased performance' when its the same technology lol just clocked higher or better binned.

 

[Troezar]

I'd love for this to be the case, but doesn't the 5700/5700XT show that AMD is also eyeing up the £400+ market?

Some people said that card was supposed to be the 680 (and much cheaper) - I'm not so sure if it was or not.

But we've had the 480/580 for a while, then the only cards AMD released since were £350+ cards.

In short, I'm not sure if either nV or AMD care about selling £200-£300 cards, really. They would both probably much rather push you up to £500+ tier, if they think they can.

And a great way to do that is to stagnate the hell out of the £200-£300 price range.

To the only thing I'd say is that now AMD have had more time, the consoles are due soon and Nvidia have some good cards coming. I think they need to take market share and trying to do that at the high end won't work. I'd go for volume and market them as console performance in a PC format. The small dies should still be profitable.

 

[Gerard]

Frank Azor

@AzorFrank

Nice launch from@Nvidia yesterday on their new graphics cards, they are going to pair well with our latest@AMDRyzen CPUs. I can’t wait to show you all the great products our@Radeon team has been working on! What an awesome year to be a gamer!!!

Odd to see someone at amd say that, same with nvidia saying it for ryzen a while back.

 

[NZXT30]

Odd to see someone at amd say that, same with nvidia saying it for ryzen a while back.

Price fixing incoming.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Hmm I think they can pump out at least something 1.5x 5700XT. The £400+ segment is ripe for the pickings