It's a bit different with GPU's as their selling more than just a chip so there are things they can do to refactor a new product with little work such as upping the included VRAM. I think there is some reason why NV released a more significant leap forward this time but I'm sure they haven't released all of the grunt in the new products so could respond with a 3080 super or Ti if AMD beats the 3080. NV wins in some ways by being first to market but also retains a certain amount up it's sleeve in case the competition challenges them. The pressure is on AMD to now put it's best foot forward whilst it has some oversight of what the competition is but it doesn't have the same advantage of dripping out minor gains.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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It's a bit different with GPU's as their selling more than just a chip so there are things they can do to refactor a new product with little work such as upping the included VRAM. I think there is some reason why NV released a more significant leap forward this time but I'm sure they haven't released all of the grunt in the new products so could respond with a 3080 super or Ti if AMD beats the 3080. NV wins in some ways by being first to market but also retains a certain amount up it's sleeve in case the competition challenges them. The pressure is on AMD to now put it's best foot forward whilst it has some oversight of what the competition is but it doesn't have the same advantage of dripping out minor gains.
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I had this with a kid at work, I told him to wait but no, he knew best, so he spent £400 on a 2070, now utterly obsolete and worth half of what he paid less than 3 months later...
I think perception is all and to him Intel is just better and NV is just better in all scenarios so he overpaid for an Intel chip, and rushed in and bought a card which now gets totally destroyed for the same money in October.
I think you're right here, it's interesting, a lot of the tech sites think Nvidia have also positioned themselves against consoles this time round due their imminent release. Over the last few years consoles have fallen behind due to the much slower release cycle, I can see the point.
There is a mentality with a lot of people (I find), that people "cannot wait". When they decide they want something, they must have it there and then. Wait a couple months for brand new tech to come out? Not an option. I want it now, I buy it now.
That is the mentality of many, many, many people I know. Including smart people. When it comes to purchases, they will not wait. Must buy now.
The crux of it is whether Big Navi is so phenomenal that AMD can hold enough back from the initial line up that they can also respond competitively when NV comes back with the supers/ti's. It's the second round that makes more sense to buy at after the initial sparing has taken place.
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Yeah, and the funny thing is, the more you wait the more you save, and when you get what you want at the price you want, it's so much sweeter, the payoff is so much better than the instant gratification purchase.
People can't delay gratification, the little endorphin hit when they pointlessly pre-order a game not being released for 18 months...
Three weeks after Nvidia release AMD are making an announcementRumor says a October 7 event for AMD Big DOG Navi announcement
Yay
Do you have a link or source please?
Iv seen this as well, but to me it doesn't really make sense, the new consoles will be £500-600 max and yes compared to that the new Nvidia parts sound good. But your still looking at £900-1000 for a PC using an RXT 3070 (and thats without monitor ect)
The price gap between buying a new console and a new gaming PC is till massive. I personally think its a combination of the 2000 series selling poorly overall vs the 1000 series and to get as many fast sales up front as they see RDNA2 as a potential threat due to the information gained from consoles.
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We need some information from AMD pretty soon is all, they don't need to accelerate their product launch but they do need to start spilling the beans... but hey I'm sure they know this as well its kinda like pointing out the obvious
Im pretty sure AMD will push just the full card at launch along side the 2nd tier, but if Nvidia pushes a 16GB 3070ti/super for example before the end of the year it will annoy a lot more people.
Normally in these cases AMD just adjust prices to compete rather than make more SKUs, as fer as i can remember at the top end you have had 2 top end cards from AMD (RX5700XT / RX5700 , Vega64 / Vega56, Fury / Fury X) no reason for them to change that as it works much better for customers than the Nvidia ti / super confusion
Absolutely, I'm sure AMD are now just debating the correct pricing, if they are shipping parts in the next few months they will be already building them, the hardware isn't changing. Its rare there is a clear price / performance obvious buy these days, everything just gets priced according to it's position in the performance charts.
It is AMD apu yes some magic from MS and Sony but in the long run it is mostly Amd tech, so if they can get a apu close to a 2080s with lowish watts what can a desktop gpu do with more watts and a bigger chip.?
Well they aren’t obsolete are they, why say that?
People will be using a 2070 in 5 years time.
AMD are up 75% in the last 6 months...
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If I were Lisa I'd also gimp performance on AMD motherboards with Nvidia cards by 5-10%. Maybe not quite that much so it would be hard to notice but something to give the bundle extra performance.AMD stock price down 2% overnight, Lisa will be feeling the pressure too now
a Zen3 & Big Navi bundle with some tech advantage would put the cat amongst the pigeons
Call it AMD 'Advanced' or something and make it boost or artificially restrict a GPUs performance. It's what Nvidia and Intel would do
.Anybody that isn't willing to wait 3 weeks to see what AMD can do were basically always going to buy "the first card to launch" anyway
Having waited since Vega64 I don't have a massive reason to upgrade, I'm happy to build a new system when Zen3 comes out
Having waited since Vega64 I don't have a massive reason to upgrade, I'm happy to build a new system when Zen3 comes out
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Anybody that isn't willing to wait 3 weeks to see what AMD can do were basically always going to buy "the first card to launch" anyway
Of course they were, or more specifically they were always going to buy NV.
But the difficulty is, what is waiting? By that I mean what might be seen as waiting for one person is seen as jumping the gun by others.
Example: I have been accused be several people (mostly in this thread) of being incapable of waiting by saying that I was going to buy a 3080 at or around launch. And I get how people see that. "Oh it's just launched and he is jumping on it".
But what those people dont see is that I have been patiently waiting for over 2/3 years! Biding my time, watching the offerings, saving my money, constantly making buy or no buy descisions.
I skipped Turing, I waited. I didn't rate the offering and I waited. I've done my waiting thanks very much and as as a 1080 owner I am due an upgrade. I am not getting the frames I want in MSFS and my enjoyment is being held back now (for the first time with my card). Also I have been saving for several years so have cash I can drop with no impact on my finnances. So it is, in every measurable way, time for me personally to upgrade.
"Oh but AMD, why not wait for AMD". You mean like I was told to wait for 10 seires Intel chips when I said I was going to buy Ryzen 3700x? Look. There is ALWAYS something "right around the corner". But when I have the money, Im dissapointed in my current performance, I've spent years waiting and watching and I like the offering I am shown (not to mention Gsync) Then I am perfectly sensible to buy now.
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