NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Participant]

my daughter

my other daughter

Deepest sympathies

 

[BigBANGtheory]

It's been the same for years though. You should either go 80 to 80 every series or ti to ti. Once you start mixing between the two then it gets expensive.

the alternative is to skip multiple series then its not so painful

 

[cliffy]

Each to own but they are coming out higher than previous 3 generations until the 20XX series, which got widley critised for being over priced. These new cards come out at the same MSRP to their 20XX series and people praising like we have the old pricing scheme back that has been in place for well over a decade. I am not even saying the price to perfomance isn't good tbh.

Nvidia could have just as easily released these as the 3080 & 3080Ti rather than 3070 & 3080 tbh and they would likely have shown 20-30% performance over previous gen with that naming, however this new pricing and naming level is pushing the whole product stack up a level and that is the point.

Sorry i dont understand. The 1080 came out in 2016 for $699, the 980 came out in 2014 for $599 and the 970TI in 2013 for $699. The 3080 is now released at $699 (£649) with a 60 to 70% performance gain in non RT games at 4k, so i cannot see massive price increases over the last 3 generations but i do see huge performance gains

 

[MikeB]

But pre order/order what? pre order a vanilla AIB, a top of the range AIB and a FE 3080 so pay for three cards, then read reviews and return two cards (or even all three as you realise you do need the 3090 afterall which isnt out until the following week?

And what happens if the AIB you pick is the lemon card compared with other manufacturers but by the time you have read the reviews, all the other ones have sold out?

Would be much better if the reviews were all out the day before.

Founders and Zotac for me, not going to risk having nothing for months, my Vega 56 has done a good job but I need more power

 

[opethdisciple]

Are they? Maybe for every game out now but what about the next 2 years?

And is that 4k 60fps rock solid with RT on?

Going to be gaming on a 120Hz screen as well so some fps between 60 and 120 would be nice.

But yeah, you are probably right about the 3090 and going 3080 now then upgrading next year.

Yup. Someone else posted this earlier. Nvidia claim the 3080 can do 60-100 fps at 4k with high res and RTX on.

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Jensen is letting us use our NVME storage as vram.

Er well NVMe storage is significantly cheaper per Gb than GDDR6 vRAM, so that's saving us money. Which is why everyone is doing it, both new consoles are planning for this and the PC is getting its own version.

Sounds like we will be on the next gen cards before this is commonly used tech.

It'll be ready for the Xbox launch I'm fairly sure and these cards will be able to make use of it pretty fast.

Taken from the Reddit Q&A Site:

Why only 10 GB of memory for RTX 3080? How was that determined to be a sufficient number, when it is stagnant from the previous generation?

[Justin Walker] We’re constantly analyzing memory requirements of the latest games and regularly review with game developers to understand their memory needs for current and upcoming games. The goal of 3080 is to give you great performance at up to 4k resolution with all the settings maxed out at the best possible price.

In order to do this, you need a very powerful GPU with high speed memory and enough memory to meet the needs of the games. A few examples - if you look at Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Metro Exodus, Wolfenstein Youngblood, Gears of War 5, Borderlands 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 running on a 3080 at 4k with Max settings (including any applicable high res texture packs) and RTX On, when the game supports it, you get in the range of 60-100fps and use anywhere from 4GB to 6GB of memory.

Extra memory is always nice to have but it would increase the price of the graphics card, so we need to find the right balance.

As I said all along, vRAM is expensive, if they put 16-20Gb on the 2080 then it would be significantly more expensive and you wouldn't see any benefit of that additional vRAM

The ram issue depends how long you want to keep the card a year or two you should be fine, 4 years plus then you more likely will have a problem.

Games in 4 years will have higher vRAM requirements but by then the GPU will be the bottleneck, we've seen what happens when games try and cram loads of assets into vRAM to drive the usage above 10Gb and the frame rates are unplayable. You don't assign vRAM based on what games need, you assign it based on what is appropriate for your GPU. Too little and it will be a bottleneck, too much and it will go unused.

 

[Greebo]

Yup. Someone else posted this earlier. Nvidia claim the 3080 can do 60-100 fps at 4k with high res and RTX on.

it says "Red Dead Redemption 2, Control, Borderlands 3 for example are closer to 4k 60fps with maxed out settings."

 

[Dirkscooby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nYy7ZucxM
3080 Doom eternal gameplay.

 

[danlightbulb]

What do you guys think the uplift will be in Timespy scores?

 

[opethdisciple]

it says "Red Dead Redemption 2, Control, Borderlands 3 for example are closer to 4k 60fps with maxed out settings."

"In order to do this, you need a very powerful GPU with high speed memory and enough memory to meet the needs of the games. A few examples - if you look at Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Assassin’s Creed Odyssey, Metro Exodus, Wolfenstein Youngblood, Gears of War 5, Borderlands 3 and Red Dead Redemption 2 running on a 3080 at 4k with Max settings (including any applicable high res texture packs) and RTX On, when the game supports it, you get in the range of 60-100fps and use anywhere from 4GB to 6GB of memory."

 

[dante6491]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nYy7ZucxM
3080 Doom eternal gameplay.

Looking at the direct side by side bit with the Sentinel at the start it looks like jump from a 2080ti @ 80-90fps to a 3080 @120-130 ish.

Well worth an upgrade then.

 

[Guest2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7nYy7ZucxM
3080 Doom eternal gameplay.

Nice, so about a 40% increase. Why not have the two card using the same drivers?
2080Ti is using 451.67, vulkan 1.2.133
3080 is using 455.77, vulcan 1.2.142

 

[Sem]

2080 Ti owners find out about the 3070:

https://streamable.com/eo661m

the 970 3.5GB memory scandal was the first video of that Spanish guy i saw and it still makes me laugh 5? years later

 

[RavenXXX2]

3080 Doom eternal gameplay.

2080ti value just dropped another 20%.

 

[Jacknm2]

I'd go with their estimates for now, like 40 - 60% uplift in the score over the cards they are replacing.

I guess I'll find out when I get mine, was going to go a bit nuts and get the 3090 but I've come to my senses and decided the 3080 is the right choice despite me always going for Ti variants. I'm fortunate to now be in a position to be able to fuel my enthusiasm of PC hardware every year so a Ti variant isnt out reach for me with the hang me downs going to the mrs and hers to my son.

Not jumping on a pre order yet. Waiting for Hardware unboxed and Gamers Nexus reviews on the cards, more so for the founders for me as I am going for water cooled so trying for the best silicon.

 

[TNA]

Yes i dont understand why the 3080 is so power hungry and the 3090 is so big yet it only uses 20watts more?

Better silicon. Surely this has got to be the reason? Why is it I can undervault and overclock my Ryzen 3600 and someone like humbug can’t overclock his to save his life? Silicon quality. They are obviously binning the best cores and the 3090 is getting them in order to keep voltage lower.

 

[Rroff]

Better silicon. Surely this has got to be the reason? Why is it I can undervault and overclock my Ryzen 3600 and someone like humbug can’t overclock his to save his life? Silicon quality. They are obviously binning the best cores and the 3090 is getting them in order to keep voltage lower.

Possibly some of that going on - I think more will come to light when people start benching them and looking at actual power usage and overclocking/power limits in use though.

They are basically the same core so some bits will use similar amounts of power as a baseline between the models regardless.

 

[Twinz]

Sorry i dont understand. The 1080 came out in 2016 for $699, the 980 came out in 2014 for $599 and the 970TI in 2013 for $699. The 3080 is now released at $699 (£649) with a 60 to 70% performance gain in non RT games at 4k, so i cannot see massive price increases over the last 3 generations but i do see huge performance gains

This. People seem to get distracted by names and "tiers", or worried about the status-symbol value of cards within a given generation.

Both the $500 and $700 price points have made two-generations worth of performance improvements with Ampere....and then some.

For the people who thought the 2080Ti was worth the money, the 3090 does to Turing what Turing did to Pascal...only the 3090 makes a bigger performance leap for a smaller price increase.

The "gotta pay to play", "I only want the best and don't care about the price" types have their card in the 3090. Have at it then.

 

[JediFragger]

2080Ti didn't become a bad card overnight, just a mid-range one

 

[JohnG7]

Never did like the 2000 series, just not sure on CPU air coolers with that front fan blowing up but it may be the memory end of card so not as hot as rear end so like 5C warmer air hitting CPU area.