AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Scougar · 6 Sep 2020 at 12:52

LePhuronn said:
Hell, take all of the numbers, speculation, consoles, wishful thinking and dismissal out of the equation and ask this one, simple question:

Why did the company who fleeced its customers out of £1,300+ for beta test hardware is now only charging £450 for the same performance for the very next generation?

Lol.

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:22

GAC said:
then a £2k 4 slot 16" long titan

Does notm matter if delivers performance

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:24

docsonic said:
Unless you are Coreteks who wants us to believe Nvidias pricing is reaction to economical downturn & an image crisis https://youtu.be/zOGLmtWDZqE?t=243

AMD are clearly in no hurry & this also speaks volumes about their product confidence:

Ye by time they have something Everyone sitting on cash like myself will have 3xxx series sitting in theirs PC's and wont buy whatever they show god knows when

Briliant strategy

LoadsaMoney · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:30

aoaaron · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:32

Zeed said:
Ye by time they have something Everyone sitting on cash like myself will have 3xxx series sitting in theirs PC's and wont buy whatever they show god knows when
Briliant strategy

Agreed. Idiotic strategy. They're competing against NVIDIA.

They should at least release their benches or performance reviews, even if they can't manufacture the cards by NVIDIA's deadline.

pugheaven · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:37

ICDP said:
I have been reading this thread and the Ampere threads for a while now. I haven't seen much that could be classed as hype in this thread. Let's look at some facts.

Every single time Nvidia have even a reasonable advantage in GPU performance their prices are set high. Think almost double the price for ~30% performance when they are competing against themselves. 2080 to 2080Ti pricing for example. This is their MO, always has been and always will be. This time we see 3080 priced at less than half the price of the 3090. So Nvidia are low-balling the 3080 and 3070 prices for a very good reason.

For me this alone points at AMD competing with 3080 at a lower price point. Nvidia never do the consumer favours, so if it's priced the way it is then there's a reason for it.

The benchmarks Nvidia leaked are 100% guaranteed to be best case scenario for the 30X0 and worse case for the 20X0. Experience teaches us (well those not prone to hype) that these marketing slides are generally overstated by ~15% or more. For example the Doom scores for the 2080Ti in that leaked performance video had the 2080Ti performing ~15% worse than reality according to some on reddit. Also if we look at actual benchmarks fro earlier this year the 2080Ti was 100+fps average in Doom Eternal 4K Ultra Nightmare. Suddenly we are to believe it is more like mid 80-90 FPS?

So RTX 3080 is likely to be ~40% faster than 2080Ti at rasterisation if we remove the marketing bias official benchmarks usually carry.

The XBX is RDAN2 with 52 CUs coming in at RTX 2080 Super levels.

RDNA 2 has higher IPC other other improvements over RDNA1

Navi 21 should have ~76 - 80 CUs (rumoured)

So even using the XBX as a base we can calculate that Navi 21 should have roughly 50-60% more performance at least. This puts Navi 21 right around 3080 performance.

So not hype, logic.

Nicely put and exactly what I've been thinking and saying on anotehr forum. it's all rumours BUT putting sensible logic behind things... I'd go with those stats 100%... but we shall see... and I have high hope for AMD... lets hope so, we need competition, as the last 2-3 years has been dull as ditchwater with Intel and nVidia charging disgraceful amounts of money... with barely any new tech... Intel still messing with tech really that's boderline 8 years old just overclocking their chips and nVidia basically for the past 5 years resting on their "top of the pile" which was always their company motto... so...

now... we have csome compeition, lets just enjoy the next 3-4 months as it's going to be epic, new consoles, new AMD GPU and CPU's... battles... it's going to be fantastic hopefully for us all and the end consumer.

Chuk_Chuk · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:47

Zeed said:
Ye by time they have something Everyone sitting on cash like myself will have 3xxx series sitting in theirs PC's and wont buy whatever they show god knows when
Briliant strategy

aoaaron said:
Agreed. Idiotic strategy. They're competing against NVIDIA.

They should at least release their benches or performance reviews, even if they can't manufacture the cards by NVIDIA's deadline.

Yeah they need to release benches so that Nvidia can lower prices and people can pay less for their new Ampere cards. Come on AMD, what are you waiting for!

pugheaven · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:48

docsonic said:
Unless you are Coreteks who wants us to believe Nvidias pricing is reaction to economical downturn & an image crisis https://youtu.be/zOGLmtWDZqE?t=243

AMD are clearly in no hurry & this also speaks volumes about their product confidence:

ROFL, I love it how some internet muppets demand answers... if I was frank I'd say you dont' wanna wait go vnNivida ya muppet... Frank is 100% on what he is saying... lets just say AMD released something unfinished, they'd be slaughtered... and like he says it's nto a race... nVidia owenrs are generally nVidia owners and it doesn't matter what AMD do, they've already decided... this thingnowadays of demanding "reponse" and "answers" from massive companies... I really dont' get it... AMD will release when they damn well like hahaha... it's as simple as that and begings as I can't imagine a massive supply of 3080/3090's anyway, I can't imagine AMD that bothered right now, they've got their schedule and that's that.

Infact I lvoe the way AMD are keeping tight lipped, they're not lowering themselves to the standard of "well we have something better" and trying to spoil nVidias release, they're confident in what they have and when.

Look at Intels recent disgraceful behaviour with the new laptop chips... wow, slating AMD at every sentence, its appalling and unprofessional behaviour.

This time with nVidia, they never once mentioned or slated AMD in that releaese this week and for that alone, they ndidnt' even mentioned 5700XT or anything... they've really gone up in my estimation to a certain extent. Both companies playing the game and it's nice to see... no slagging each other off for a change.

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:48

aoaaron said:
Agreed. Idiotic strategy. They're competing against NVIDIA.

They should at least release their benches or performance reviews, even if they can't manufacture the cards by NVIDIA's deadline.

When Turding came out i had 1k for gpu and seen benchmarks and went like emmm 1k for this "Jump ?? " No thanks spent 1k on Exhaust with remap. This years 1k was supposed to be ps5 but 3080 looks like good upgrade from titan so they got my money. Will get raytracing for WoWs shadowlands and cyberpunk thats good enough for me. AMD would need to have faster than 3080 card for same price with raytracing to get me to buy theirs product. But NV got the RT market covered with spending moneys so they put it in games.

@Chuk_Chuk True as always I'm in market for RT as I said above and AMD not showed me anything interesting in that direction.

pugheaven · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:49

Chuk_Chuk said:
Yeah they need to release benches so that Nvidia can lower prices and people can pay less for their new Ampere cards. Come on AMD, what are you waiting for!

They're waiting for their cards to be 100% right, there may be a driver issue anything... they're not waiting for anything, they're waiting to be right when it's right. if they were 100% complete they'd release something, they're obviously not.

4K8KW10 · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:51

pugheaven said:
They're waiting for their cards to be 100% right, there may be a driver issue anything... they're not waiting for anything, they're waiting to be right when it's right. if they were 100% complete they'd release something, they're obviously not.

Can a driver be 100% right? If they wait for that, it most probably won't happen soon.

Twinz · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:53

aoaaron said:
Agreed. Idiotic strategy. They're competing against NVIDIA.

They should at least release their benches or performance reviews, even if they can't manufacture the cards by NVIDIA's deadline.

This.

Nvidia has given me a reason to buy, and that's what I intend to do unless AMD gives me a reason not to.

It's AMD's move.

pugheaven · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:54

4K8KW10 said:
Can a driver be 100% right? If they wait for that, it most probably won't happen soon.

hahah, yeah but you knwo what I mean, if there was a last minute problem with a core game we don't know, then they don't want to see that show poor fps... I'm just using that as an example.

AMD had a plan and a release schedule, they're not going to up and lift that to the demands of people whining and bitching on forums, nvidia had their plan, AMD had theirs, and they'll release when they release imho... I don't see a problem with AMD strategy at all and anyone who goes out and buys nVidia without seeing AMD and then whines and bitches again that AMD have released something that's better value for money than their 3080 , well tough on them, they should've waited. You'd think that the world was going to end if someone didn't buy a GPU, it's staggering tbh.

On the flip side, I think AMD will give us a concrete date for their release this week now, didnt' I see 7th October banging around for their release?

humbug · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:56

TNA said:
I always wondered. What is the original of that video. Wtf is that machine?

I hope if I get a 3080 FE it does not end up in a new video like that.

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:57

Twinz said:
This.

Nvidia has given me a reason to buy, and that's what I intend to do unless AMD gives me a reason not to.

It's AMD's move.

Spot on this is. AMD show me why on 17th i would not buy NV ?? Was not planning gpu upgrade but NV got Me hooked first time in 4 years

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:58

humbug said:

Thats always been AMD's theritory one thing they been crushing competition since 290's time

That was Most expensive hair dryer i ever ovned. Never in my life i was so hyped to see waterblock come in !!!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 6 Sep 2020 at 13:59

docsonic said:
Unless you are Coreteks who wants us to believe Nvidias pricing is reaction to economical downturn & an image crisis https://youtu.be/zOGLmtWDZqE?t=243

AMD are clearly in no hurry & this also speaks volumes about their product confidence:

https://twitter.com/laczarus/status/1302578163814408194

Some more clues from the Fortnite hint?

pugheaven said:
hahah, yeah but you knwo what I mean, if there was a last minute problem with a core game we don't know, then they don't want to see that show poor fps... I'm just using that as an example.

AMD had a plan and a release schedule, they're not going to up and lift that to the demands of people whining and bitching on forums, nvidia had their plan, AMD had theirs, and they'll release when they release imho... I don't see a problem with AMD strategy at all and anyone who goes out and buys nVidia without seeing AMD and then whines and bitches again that AMD have released something that's better value for money than their 3080 , well tough on them, they should've waited. You'd think that the world was going to end if someone didn't buy a GPU, it's staggering tbh.

On the flip side, I think AMD will give us a concrete date for their release this week now, didnt' I see 7th October banging around for their release?

If AMD then rushes the launch with a crap stock cooler,driver bugs,QA/QC problems,people will then moan about why AMD didn't wait another few weeks and launch the GPUs in a better state.

Better to launch what they have well,instead of in a half-arsed way,and people will then say might as well buy Nvidia,as the memes won't go away for the lifespan of RDNA2.

AMD needs to think of the entire lifespand of RDNA2 sales,not just the initial ones.

People are still sharing R9 290X cooler memes even now,and if AMD had delayed that launch another month or two,and had a much better stock cooler,or aftermarket models from launch,you wouldn't have this negativity about the GPU. The R9 390 was basically a rebranded R9 290X 8GB with better coolers at launch.

Edit!!

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Navi22 launches first too.

Zeed · 6 Sep 2020 at 14:00

phatboy said:
LOLOL How have I never seen that!

Got this as memory of that ******* thing. That 500 pounds gpu in 2013 and thats in CLOSED CASE

humbug · 6 Sep 2020 at 14:02

GAC said:
well guesswork, as rumours mean very little if they are wrong, for example the rumour the new nvidia cards would have a co processor.

at best its logical guesswork, until we see some numbers even amd's own we havnt gotten a clue outside of the console specs, and to be blunt they mean very little when you take in to account the differences between gaming in windows and in a console environment and how developers use them. you can make educated guesses at what the possible specs could be, but for now no one outside of amd have a clue.

Coreteks literally made that up, he also thinks AMD best card will be no better than the consoles....

Dontrocktheboat · 6 Sep 2020 at 14:02

well Amd is not saying much yet....so let's recap on their past successes.

beat goes on....poor Ampere