AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Twinz]

So what if the Navi 21 has better performance than a 3080 and it has 16GB of VRAM for £600, will they still stick with a 3080 with 10GB?

I could wait for that, if they actually made such an offer. Right now there is nothing on the table from AMD.

 

[justwondering]

I fear once again, that AMD will not be able to compete again, but at least they will have the console market to themselves.

 

[Twinz]

Thank you! You hit the nail on the head. We aren't asking for the GPU to be delivered next day to our doorstep. Just give us an announcement, clear honest detail, evidence of performance, a talk through of the tech involved and prices.

I'm happy to wait a month or two months for AMD if they are having manufacturing issues but this silence is just not a good look. It makes me think AMD don't even care about us and just care about consoles +their amazing processors now.. with GPUs just being an arena they use to provide good value at the low-end and mid-range PC users.

I agree.

It's good to under-promise and over deliver, unless "under-promise" means promising...nothing.

 

[aoaaron]

I game at qHD and its been fine,especially as people are obssessed with turning useless settings up,which do nothing. I am more CPU limited and probably VRAM limited in some scenarios. Plus for the most part,looking at Steam most are not even at GTX1080 level,so meh.

Its summer,and I spent enough time in front of the computer because of the lockdown My gaming has dropped to a minimal level,as I am gamed out. I can wait. If AMD screws up this generation after I waited and Nvidia is better price/performance or offers a better package I will get them. In the scheme of the years I own GPUs,I am not going to rush into purchases. I want to see what both have to offer.

I see. I just want the best performance possible now without spending more than £800 GPU-wise. My 2080 has chugged at 4k on the LG OLED in RDR2 and SOTR forcing me to go down to 1440p. In the 4K world, unless people have bought the 1k+ 2080ti, its a struggle. at 1440p, you are in a good position. at the worst of times, you might be at 60fps with a good GPU... but at 4k.. we can be in a slideshow

Making the choice of 1440p/120 and 4k/40-60 has also been annoying... It'd be nice to get the fusion of 4k+120hz at long last.. hence for me this generation of GPUs is a fusion of the two most beloved aspects of gaming.
I'm also hoping to buy a Hp reverb to replace my valve index headset which has dual 4k screens and again a 3080 level performance will be good for it.

Therefore I REALLY would LOVE some form of announcement and guidance from AMD. I'd be happy to put £600-700 aside until October/November and go AMD if they have the goods, but if they don't, I'd rather slot the new GPU in and get gaming.

 

[matty007]

They're probably only going to pre order though if they couldn't stretch to a Super/Ti if they waited. So what if the Navi 21 has better performance than a 3080 and it has 16GB of VRAM for £600, will they still stick with a 3080 with 10GB?

You'd be surprised.....It's the same as people sticking with Intel just because it's 'Intel' even though AMD is vastly superior in multithreaded performance and at a lower price point.

The driver misconception is strong.

 

[aoaaron]

I fear once again, that AMD will not be able to compete again, but at least they will have the console market to themselves.

Yup.

Although TBH NVIDIA and Nintendo are a VERY scarey partnership. If Nintendo ever decided to take hardware gaming power seriously, they are partnered up with the scariest guy in town. But I think they're happy with the trickled down NVIDIA shield GPUs.

 

[Stanners]

Radeon 9000 launched months ahead of Nvidia =Nvidia massively ahead with FX. HD3000/HD4000= Nvidia massively ahead. HD5000 launched 6 months before=Nvidia massively ahead.

Now you can't fight with facts,you are calling everyone who disagrees with you a fanboi,because that is what your mindset is - a false victim.

Sorry your the one acting like a massive fanboi attacking people like a little child. 3 of my last 4 GPUs were Nvidia,so just wind in your false victimhood like the massive fanboi you are.

People like you are the ones which would moan at AMD if they rushed out a launch,as it was crap,and then moan if AMD launched later and it was better.

I have a GTX1080 that has served me well since 2016,and you are whining because your RTX2080 is too slow - so if you are so impatient than get a RTX3080 then??

You are just going on and on and on,about how annoyed you are AMD hasn't got GPUs out.

They are going to be latter than Nvidia. If it's causing you so much pain,then the 17th put in a day one order for an RTX3080,and you don't need to care anymore.



Then if that is the case,is going on and on and on,about AMD is not launching it quick enough going to do anything??

It will come when it comes. If it comes too late for you,then that is AMD's problem.

can you stop telling people not to have a certain view, you are not discussing anything but preaching at people with walls of text when it does not fit your narrative.

 

[hyperseven]

I fear once again, that AMD will not be able to compete again, but at least they will have the console market to themselves.

Except for the Nvidia powered Switch which is still selling like hotcakes

 

[aoaaron]

You'd be surprised.....It's the same as people sticking with Intel just because it's 'Intel' even though AMD is vastly superior in multithreaded performance and at a lower price point.

The driver misconception is strong.

I was thinking of switching to AMD for my next build (probably 1-2 years away) but I was interested. I game at 4k, I don't use multi threaded applications and the FPS difference at 4k intel vs AMD was sometimes 5 fps in intel's favour. I'm not sure if I'm being dumb here.. but that 5 fps seems quite significant to me if gaming at 4k as we can in very demanding games be on a fine line between 55 and 60... is intel therefore really that bad of a decision if u need every single FPS u can get and u dont use 16 cores for anything much worth while?

 

[Unseul]

I was thinking of switching to AMD for my next build (probably 1-2 years away) but I was interested. I game at 4k, I don't use multi threaded applications and the FPS difference at 4k intel vs AMD was sometimes 5 fps in intel's favour. I'm not sure if I'm being dumb here.. but that 5 fps seems quite significant to me if gaming at 4k as we can in very demanding games be on a fine line between 55 and 60... is intel therefore really that bad of a decision if u need every single FPS u can get and u dont use 16 cores for anything much worth while?

Need to wait and see if Intel have pcie 4 by then, or indeed what amd have launched. Could be pcie 4 helps more than intels better cpu.

 

[aoaaron]

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Need to wait and see if Intel have pcie 4 by then, or indeed what amd have launched. Could be pcie 4 helps more than intels better cpu.

thanks. I'll keep an open mind and stick with my 8086k for now.

Do u think the 8086k will stay relavant for a little while?

 

[FoxEye]

The amount of absolute garbage posted on YouTube etc. is unreal, I've no idea why people pay any attention to the utter guess work that is put into videos only designed to give views/clicks and interactions in order for the creators to make money.

It's "Waffle, waffle, waffle, RDNA2 but 8 billion CU's, waffle, waffle, Nvida RTX 98000450 wit h25.4GB's of GDDR9X RAM will be, waffle, waffle, waffle. "

I don't. It's quite apparent when I do watch something linked from here, that a lot of the time they have no insights, and a frankly limited understanding of most of what they're talking about.

I wouldn't profess to be an expert myself, but I don't have a tech channel.

But even without a degree in electrical engineering you can often tell a blagger from someone with genuine expertise. The number of times they sound completely uncertain of what they're saying. The fact that if you watch five different bloggers they likely have five different and conflicting conclusions. The number of times they quote sources such as .. Twitter posts

I don't follow all of them but the only one often linked here who seems to be worth a watch now and again is the one affectionately referred to as "Tech Jesus" Steve at GN. The others are total cringe, from what little of them I can stomach to watch; quite a few of them are extremely irritating to boot

Oh yeah and one of the most annoying things is this: in a 20 minute videos there's like 4 minutes of actual information. Padded out with a whole boatload of rambling and crap. "Don't forget to like and subscribe!"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I still can't help bit disagree with your initial notion that no matter how early AMD were to release a superior product, people would go for NVIDIA in this specific climate. With the 20 series being underwhelming at best and poor value, if AMD had launched a comparable 30-series level product a month or two ago, people would have went crazy for it IMO.

It seems like blatant AMD fanboyism, making a multitude of excuses for AMD being missing at the high-end for the past 2-4 years.

I'm personally hoping to wait on my GPU purchase until Cyberpunk drops. Hopefully by then AMD would have got their act togethher and we'll have reliable benchmarks from both manufacturers on a videogame that is likely to set the standard and benchmark for the next 24 months (which is about the time I'll then buy a new GPU).

can you stop telling people not to have a certain view, you are not discussing anything but preaching at people with walls of text when it does not fit your narrative.

Then ask people to stop calling other fanbois with their walls of text too. All you are doing is allowing people using their own walls of text to moan and preach at others how they are wrong,and its funny how marketshare numbers are now not objective viewpoints.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I would also point out that now intel has been caught with the pants down, the time you upgrade in 1-2 years they will probably get back on top tbh @aoaaron . Ryzen is generous to those that use the multi-core software, or people that can swallow the ~5% less gaming performance in the extreme end.

 

[matty007]

Launching? I just want AMD to give me a reason not to buy. This is what I have been saying:

Couldn't agree more. Whilst I think it is indeed a good thing that they haven't been hyping too much, and have kept leaks down, there is a time for silence and a time to speak. It would be silly, dare I say even foolish, to not release something concrete before the 17th. They're well aware that they will never outsell NVIDIA, but I'd find it difficult to beleive they would be foolish enough to not see the huge damage it would do to their sales if they don't speak soon.

It is true that they have diffrent schedules, but they 100% know what final performance they will acheive, so they have to say something. Even if it's just specs with no release date, that would be enough.

I won't jump straight to NVIDIA, even if AMD don't say anything, but there are many many people who aren't like that, and are willing to give AMD a chance, but NOT if they don't say anything.

 

[james.miller]

Walls of text?

 

[aoaaron]

Even a tweet from an AMD spokes person saying 'we can match that'.. would be epic enough.. nothing is a bit meh.

 

[aoaaron]

I would also point out that now intel has been caught with the pants down, the time you upgrade in 1-2 years they will probably get back on top tbh @aoaaron . Ryzen is generous to those that use the multi-core software, or people that can swallow the ~5% less gaming performance in the extreme end.

Thanks mate. Normally 5% would be nothing.. but when we are talking about a situation like 4k where every FPS matters... its hard to swallow that pill when 95% of my PC activity is gaming.

anyway I guess I'm talking too far into the future.. I'll wait for the 8086k to bottleneck me first.

 

[FoxEye]

Even a tweet from an AMD spokes person saying 'we can match that'.. would be epic enough.. nothing is a bit meh.

There's still a couple weeks yet before anybody can buy a 3080. But I do agree that the longer we don't hear anything from AMD, people will become happier with their decision to buy nV.

And if AMD releases some info at the 11th hour, maybe people won't care at that point, and will just buy nV rather than wait any more. Because the actual AMD release will be later by a month or two than nV's cards.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Even a tweet from an AMD spokes person saying 'we can match that'.. would be epic enough.. nothing is a bit meh.

I know what ur sayin, I think its a bit early for that... I think the Nvidia review NDAs lift on Sept 14th/15th thats the kind of crunch point for info imho the perfect time for AMD to leak something interesting...