AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[humbug]

Do you want to correct your maths error yourself or would you prefer I do it?

Go for it

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

If only there was a thread to discuss Ampere related stuff.

P.S
You can't discuss competitors on these forums.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

you do realise you're talking about how to order an Nvidia GPU in an AMD thread from other retailers?

That must set a new off topic record

 

[gpuerrilla]

Now you see where the stereotypes come from?

 

[Howling]

AMD said RDNA2 would be +50% PPW, lets say the Series X is 20% faster than a 5700XT, with 30% more shaders but lower clocked it should be around that. that bring's the XBox Series X GPU to 220 Watts if it was RDNA1. -50% = 110 Watt's.

Go for it

Ok. If it takes 220W in RDNA1 to achieve a certain level of performance, if RDNA2 offers 50% more performance per watt then it'll take 147W for the same performance. If RDNA2 offered 100% more performance per watt, then your 110W would be correct

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

Now you see where the stereotypes come from?

you do realise you're talking about how to order an Nvidia GPU in an AMD thread from other retailers?

That must set a new off topic record

Guy is clearly trolling so i wouldnt worry,

 

[humbug]

Ok. If it takes 220W in RDNA1 to achieve a certain level of performance, if RDNA2 offers 50% more performance per watt then it'll take 147W for the same performance. If RDNA2 offered 100% more performance per watt, then your 110W would be correct

I'll go with that

 

[Space Monkey]

Any more talk of competitors and or their pricing etc will result in suspensions and thread bans, you've been warned!

 

[Phixsator]

Spoiler: steam stats

From Steamhardware survey. While not the end all it's certainly the biggest platform on the PC for data collection. Interestingly and surprisingly, the 5700xt's install base is below a 2080ti even.

The only card AMD has is the old 570/580. This shows how much marketshare and generally associted minshare nvidia has. This is why many people are stating that if AMD does have something notable, start getting the info out early. Last week nvidia ate up all the news and they will next week also once reviews start rolling out.

*This* week should AMD's week to get some news out and draw some attention. Once ampere launches and people have cards in hand, reviewers start doing follow ups etc, AMD will struggle for attention. This is the perfect week to get attention.

Problem is that Steam survey is not very accurate. I'm not saying Nvidia doesn't have a sizeable lead, cause they do, but that steam chart feels off. Considering how many times when I was running my 4790k/1080ti combo I got asked if I wanted to submit to Steam survey and the 1 time only I've been asked after my Ryzen/Vega 64 was build, I don't hold much stock in those results. No I'm not saying Steam is after AMD if any would be silly enough to think that, its coincidence in my case but still a pointer towards incorrect data.

 

[JediFragger]

Problem is that Steam survey is not very accurate. I'm not saying Nvidia doesn't have a sizeable lead, cause they do, but that steam chart feels off.

Agreed, we should go off last quarter dGPU sales charts instead....

 

[five8five]

snip....

I know you don't like his 220W figure but from the video he's including the memory and VRM losses. He's estimating the CPU at 40W giving 180W for the GPU on it's own.

 

[humbug]

Mores Law Is Dead has just dropped the blindingly obvious....

https://youtu.be/s5T1uAEbMuE?t=760

The so called Big Navi that they apparently dropped the price on, that 16GB card, 16GB, is obviously 256Bit, its at least cut down, IMO its unlikely to be Big Navi.

To add to that they are dropping the price from $600 to $550, $100 more expensive than the 3070, its a 3080 competitor, and still not big Navi, its a 5700XT replacement

The XBox Series X has a 320Bit bus.... the slide a few pages back of the Big Navi Block diagram has a 384Bit Bus.

I know you don't like his 220W figure but from the video he's including the memory and VRM losses. He's estimating the CPU at 40W giving 180W for the GPU on it's own.

200 Watt, that's what it is, all he needed to do was google. its on the TPU site.

200 Watt for GPU, CPU and GDDR6.

 

[random_matt]

It's like AMD are needing to keep parity with XSX.

 

[gpuerrilla]

The so called Big Navi that they apparently dropped the price on, that 16GB card, 16GB, is obviously 256Bit, its at least cut down, IMO its unlikely to be Big Navi.

Bug of hums, glad I am not the only one who thinks this, and before his upload too. Gonna be plenty of options to choose from, best price war going into 2021 they just need to manufacture lots so there's no gouging.

 

[melmac]

Problem is that Steam survey is not very accurate. I'm not saying Nvidia doesn't have a sizeable lead, cause they do, but that steam chart feels off. Considering how many times when I was running my 4790k/1080ti combo I got asked if I wanted to submit to Steam survey and the 1 time only I've been asked after my Ryzen/Vega 64 was build, I don't hold much stock in those results. No I'm not saying Steam is after AMD if any would be silly enough to think that, its coincidence in my case but still a pointer towards incorrect data.

Yes, it's inaccurate because it doesn't come close to showing how dominant Nvidia are in the GPU market at the moment. It doesn't include workstation or data centre GPUs for example.

 

[TNA]

I see Humbug is getting excited again. Slowly working he way from the cool and calm carriage at the back of the hype train to the drivers seat. I fear this may not end well for him again

 

[gpuerrilla]

Something has stoked a fire in him. Although not sure I would be desperate to replace the 5700XT, I will as the Vega will see a nice step in improvement.

 

[humbug]

I see Humbug is getting excited again. Slowly working he way from the cool and calm carriage at the back of the hype train to the drivers seat. I fear this may not end well for him again

No i just think all the "best Navi GPU RTX 3070 competitor" is a bit too obviously wrong.

 

[TNA]

No i just think all the "best Navi GPU RTX 3070 competitor" is a bit too obviously wrong.

Ok, so maybe not in drivers seat yet, but you have certainly made your way to the front carriage

 

[gpuerrilla]

No i just think all the "best Navi GPU RTX 3070 competitor" is a bit too obviously wrong.

This will be the segment to muscle down the 5700XT. What's more amusing is there will be another one up to beat the 3080