AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

JediFragger · 7 Sep 2020 at 22:06

TNA said:
If it did Nvidia would get so much stick that AMD may indeed reach 50% market share by the end of the generation.

No, that would take RTG being competent

They'd probably **** themselves being above 30 and wouldn't know what to do

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 7 Sep 2020 at 22:09

Phixsator said:
I guess Nvidia is buying 5700 XT stock and throwing it in the bin then

Jimmy Weirdarms · 7 Sep 2020 at 22:39

BigBANGtheory said:
I'll offer up 'whats not to like' its the fact it cannot be universally applied without developer input. Take a game that would really benefit from DLSS say Red Dead Redemption 2.... oh look no support despite there being a real need and gain for PC gamers.

Its not the technology per se its the application and how it can be used, same as SLI it needs to be handled at the hardware and driver level to work and presumably both AMD and Nvidia will need to fix that for chiplet designs of the future.

And that's fair enough, that's a deficiency we already know about - they really need to up their game and get more studios onboard, or it becomes (remains?) completely irrelevant.

fs123 · 7 Sep 2020 at 22:59

TNA said:
Lol. Do you really think that will end up being true? If it did Nvidia would get so much stick that AMD may indeed reach 50% market share by the end of the generation. Nah, I do not buy it.

https://www.ashesofthesingularity.c...k-result/412948a3-06c8-4674-83e4-9413ec98774a

Here's the direct link to the benchmark result. The 3080 will not get a consistant 50% lead over the 2080Ti imo.

gpuerrilla · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:01

Yeah like we said many pages back even on the DLSS thread. Without the titles, as one poster put it very well, its hardware not being used that you have paid for. This would NOT fly if it was AMD period.

Grim5 · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:15

fs123 said:
https://www.ashesofthesingularity.c...k-result/412948a3-06c8-4674-83e4-9413ec98774a

Here's the direct link to the benchmark result. The 3080 will not get a consistant 50% lead over the 2080Ti imo.

Problem with that benchmark is in the screenshot. The CPU is struggling to keep up with the GPU, so we can't use it as any indicator of 3080 performance.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:18

Th0nt said:
Yeah like we said many pages back even on the DLSS thread. Without the titles, as one poster put it very well, its hardware not being used that you have paid for. This would NOT fly if it was AMD period.

Well I'm using it, but that's because I'm a tinkerer with machine learning. That's a much smaller market though.

gpuerrilla · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:25

Jimmy Weirdarms said:
Well I'm using it, but that's because I'm a tinkerer with machine learning. That's a much smaller market though.

Aye but I could say the same for Vega with compute and ROCm..

stooeh · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:25

Looks like bench relies heavily on CPU performance. Here is a link to the highest 2080ti result I could see using the same CPU as the 3080 result:
https://www.ashesofthesingularity.c...k-result/fdc4b934-a1b9-4135-8b95-5b2d45fea06c

Similar overall score but the CPU results for 2080ti bench are WAY higher ?

gpuerrilla · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:27

I have not read this latest tittle tattle but is it something like the CPU's used in the bench are different or clocked different so its not completely apple:apple?

Poneros · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:34

A 9900K is struggling?? What alien-tech CPUs you plan on using that's stronger?

GAC · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:34

not to upset anyone but who knows what speed the card was running at, or what state the drivers where in.

matty007 · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:35

Grim5 said:
Problem with that benchmark is in the screenshot. The CPU is struggling to keep up with the GPU, so we can't use it as any indicator of 3080 performance.

Yes, because it's being run at base frequency of 3.6ghz. A 9900k at 5ghz+ would NEVER bottleneck a GPU, even a 3090. Even then, I would still be surprised if a base 9900k bottlenecked, at all. Iffy bench in my opinion.

I would wager the 3080 being about 25-30% faster than a 2080ti on average.

Poneros · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:42

matty007 said:
Yes, because it's being run at base frequency of 3.6ghz. A 9900k at 5ghz+ would NEVER bottleneck a GPU, even a 3090. Even then, I would still be surprised if a base 9900k bottlenecked, at all. Iffy bench in my opinion.

I would wager the 3080 being about 25-30% faster than a 2080ti on average.

No, it isn't. Have you never run a game benchmark ever? They always report base frequency. Proof: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-benchmark.250511/#post-3959578

matty007 · 7 Sep 2020 at 23:54

Poneros said:
No, it isn't. Have you never run a game benchmark ever? They always report base frequency. Proof: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-benchmark.250511/#post-3959578

My mistake, apologies. I haven't used that benchmark before.

Still, it looks very iffy. A 9900k would not bottleneck a GPU. Hell, even a 3700x should be ample for the 30 series.

Poneros · 8 Sep 2020 at 00:00

matty007 said:
My mistake, apologies. I haven't used that benchmark before.

Still, it looks very iffy. A 9900k would not bottleneck a GPU. Hell, even a 3700x should be ample for the 30 series.

True, my guess is the clock frequency is very conservative for 3080.

LePhuronn · 8 Sep 2020 at 00:02

Jimmy Weirdarms said:
they really need to up their game and get more studios onboard, or it becomes (remains?) completely irrelevant.

So what was the talk about DLSS 3.0 works natively in any game that uses TAA, but would still need dev input and training for best performance? I'd have less of an issue with DLSS if that were the case.

matty007 · 8 Sep 2020 at 00:06

I'm in a bit of quandary what to do, to be frank. I am going to wait for Big Navi regardless, but I have a 3600 on a B450 Tomahawk Max, and a 5700xt. Do I stick with the 3600 and upgrade the GPU, then wait for AM5 to give me a good path? Or do I wait for Zen 3, and hope the beta bios on the Max is good to allow Zen 3, but then be stuck for path due to AM5 coming? And of course, we don't know if PCIE4 will reap a benefit with these cards. My guess would be no, but I'm not 100% sure. The MAX is only pcie3

Bit of a quandary really. The 3600 and 5700xt is serving me well, but I always want that extra performance.

Poneros · 8 Sep 2020 at 00:17

matty007 said:
I'm in a bit of quandary what to do, to be frank. I am going to wait for Big Navi regardless, but I have a 3600 on a B450 Tomahawk Max, and a 5700xt. Do I stick with the 3600 and upgrade the GPU, then wait for AM5 to give me a good path? Or do I wait for Zen 3, and hope the beta bios on the Max is good to allow Zen 3, but then be stuck for path due to AM5 coming? And of course, we don't know if PCIE4 will reap a benefit with these cards. My guess would be no, but I'm not 100% sure. The MAX is only pcie3

Bit of a quandary really. The 3600 and 5700xt is serving me well, but I always want that extra performance.

Solid CPU. Nothing will phase it until DDR5's available imo. I would, and am also, waiting. Only exception would be something like 240hz 1080p gaming.

queamin · 8 Sep 2020 at 04:32

TNA said:
I see Humbug is getting excited again. Slowly working he way from the cool and calm carriage at the back of the hype train to the drivers seat. I fear this may not end well for him again

No that cannot be true he said he wasn't getting on it, never mind driving it.