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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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It really doesn't need to perform better than Nvidia, it just needs to hit a better price/performance ratio. 3080 and 3090 aren't going to be the main cards sold by nvidia, it's probably a tiny proportion of their total sales, it'll be 3060 and below where they make their money. Even 3070 is way out of most people's budget outside of an enthusiast forum. If they bring a 2080ti performance level card at £350ish they'll sell a shedload.
 
Dicehunter said:
If AMD's top end RDNA2 card can match a 3080 in raster but cost less then that's the card for me, I do not care about RT 1 bit.
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AMD middle card will match and may even beat the 3080 (clock speed turned up) the n22 version.
a 256mm or such die.

4K8KW10 said:
Consoles are in the "Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom" segment, "Computing and Graphics" is CPUs and GPUs.
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well with that logic Intel is the biggest gpu manufacturer....
 
Arcane said:
It really doesn't need to perform better than Nvidia, it just needs to hit a better price/performance ratio. 3080 and 3090 aren't going to be the main cards sold by nvidia, it's probably a tiny proportion of their total sales, it'll be 3060 and below where they make their money. Even 3070 is way out of most people's budget outside of an enthusiast forum. If they bring a 2080ti performance level card at £350ish they'll sell a shedload.
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Not everything is about nvidia. I was never going to buy the 3080 because I simply need more performance and VRAM without the extortionate price of the 3090.
 
GAC said:
who says pray tell ?

has amd held a briefing or released some specs and benchmarks no one else but you know about ?
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Nah rumor mill on twitter.
But the guy been batting correctly a lot.
I assume that is somewhat correlated with last day saying AMD has a Breakthrough gaming architecture and why Nvidia did release 3070 and 3080 below $1000. There was no need to do so with the so called amazing ray tracing Jensen keeps talking about.
 
Grim5 said:
It's the same old AMD GPU cycle every time

massive hype, which is then proceeded by the full on grieving process of: denial, anger, depression and acceptance. Right now some AMD fans are in the denial stage and some went straight to acceptance which is a bit odd - don't give up hope yet, claim back on that hype train
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Any hype has been generated by forum dwellers and fanboys this time around. Most sensible people have little to no expectation of what AMD are likely to reveal and where the performance will sit.

I've traditionally been a Radeon buyer as they've always provided more for the money, so to speak, and the cards have always fit in to my budget. I'm expecting a card that may trade blows with the 3070 at a better price point but who knows? I'm not in the market for a new GPU yet.

A great time to be a nerd with so much new tech landing around the same time.
 
RBImGuy said:
Nah rumor mill on twitter.
But the guy been batting correctly a lot.
I assume that is somewhat correlated with last day saying AMD has a Breakthrough gaming architecture and why Nvidia did release 3070 and 3080 below $1000. There was no need to do so with the so called amazing ray tracing Jensen keeps talking about.
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so no actual pr benchmarks then so pulled out of someones backside like 99% of the stuff posted the past few days.

we all want amd to knock it out of the park, just dont start charging off down the rx570,580,590 ti killer path until we have some sort of actual idea.

same goes for nvidas numbers as well all we know for now is a 3070 is supposed to be faster than a 2080ti by how much thats debatable. as you cant even make guesses at if amd's cards can beat nvidias if we dont even know exactly how nvidias will actually perform.
 
GAC said:
so no actual pr benchmarks then so pulled out of someones backside like 99% of the stuff posted the past few days.

we all want amd to knock it out of the park, just dont start charging off down the rx570,580,590 ti killer path until we have some sort of actual idea.

same goes for nvidas numbers as well all we know for now is a 3070 is supposed to be faster than a 2080ti by how much thats debatable. as you cant even make guesses at if amd's cards can beat nvidias if we dont even know exactly how nvidias will actually perform.
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benches already been done with 3080.
it shows a oc msi gaming trio 2080ti is around 9% slower than a 3080.
(in that benchmark)

I dont hype without some substance and many can be done pretty good at this point based on statements amd made and some rumor stuff.
 
RBImGuy said:
benches already been done with 3080.
it shows a oc msi gaming trio 2080ti is around 9% slower than a 3080.
(in that benchmark)

I dont hype without some substance and many can be done pretty good at this point based on statements amd made and some rumor stuff.
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yeah the benchmarks out there id trust as much as nvidias own marketing for now, we dont even know if they have release a ampere driver set as of yet.
 
GAC said:
yeah the benchmarks out there id trust as much as nvidias own marketing for now, we dont even know if they have release a ampere driver set as of yet.
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Real benchmarks only come when the card is released for sale, as you can't trust any reviewer who receives their cards for "free".

This forum will be a better performance indicator than any tech site because you can be assured that any negative will be well documented without fear of repercussion.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
Real benchmarks only come when the card is released for sale, as you can't trust any reviewer who receives their cards for "free".

This forum will be a better performance indicator than any tech site because you can be assured that any negative will be well documented without fear of repercussion.
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Dont think its fair to say you cant trust any reviewer. Its pretty easy to take a handful of reviews and get a clear picture of a card.
 
chroniclard said:
Dont think its fair to say you cant trust any reviewer. Its pretty easy to take a handful of reviews and get a clear picture of a card.
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Agreed. Plus I trust Hardware Unboxed not to fudge the numbers. But yeah, you look at 4-5 places and get a picture.
 
chroniclard said:
Dont think its fair to say you cant trust any reviewer. Its pretty easy to take a handful of reviews and get a clear picture of a card.
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I'm not saying you can't get an unbiased review site, I'm just making the point that people like you and I can afford to be 100% candid because we have no repercussion. Of course, with a review site you get a much more in depth analysis which is also good.

I think if anyone makes the decision to digest reviews before buying, then waiting for both professional and consumer feedback would be best all round.
 
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