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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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JediFragger said:
My 5700XT is doing pretty much everything I'm asking of it atm (lower rendered resolution in some games but the Sharpening makes up for it) so I'm gonna wait it out and see what both sides drop. It's going to be v v interesting!! :) :cool:
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Same with mine Tbh, however I decided to return mine for a full refund anyway. Will put that towards a future purchase now. ;)

Back and slumming it on Radeon VII for a while.
 
timorous said:
500mm² only works if transistor density is about the same as RDNA which would be lower than the 3xxx series.

With Renoir transistor densities you would be looking at around 350mm² for 21B transistors which is enough for 80CUs.

If it is 500mm² and 80CU with 21B ish transistors there is a lot of wasted space.
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You might be onto something - one of the leaked sizes for a Navi GPU was 340MM2.

Satchfanuk said:
Rumour has it that it could be 34.5B :p

https://twitter.com/KittyYYuko/status/1303986125225095169
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KittyCorgi was saying Big Navi was under 500MM2. There was some implication in that Twitter thread the 500MM2 GPU possibly could be Arcturus.

This reminds me of the HD4870 - nobody was quite sure if what the specs were until launch!
 
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Poneros said:
Shamelessly stolen from Twitter :D

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Haha. So true. Testament to Nvidia’s mindshare.


Troezar said:
I am constantly amazed how Nvidia's marketing sucks people in. 3080 is now a "flagship". Have people forgotten the 1080, there was all the same "it's the top card" nonsense to justify the price. Then the 1080Ti dropped. They'll do exactly the same again. It can only be cognitive dissonance, religious fervour or deliberate/paid marketing to think otherwise.

A fair comparison is how much is the price and what are they calling it. You can't compare $700 card if it was top tier and now is called by the second tier name. The same goes for AMD, I'll look at the 6700XT performance and price and compare it with the 5700XT. I won't be comparing the 5700XT with the 6900XT just because the 5700XT was the flagship card last time. It was only ever mid-tier.

That all said I can see them releasing cards that give 3070 and 3080 early adopters cause to doubt their purchases.
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Agreed. Even though I plan on getting a 3080, I am not under the illusion of it being a flagship card, that’s just marketing. I tried to say this but some just don’t want to hear it, so much so they go look for the definition of flagship to justify why it is flagship. It’s like dude, we all know a 3080Ti/Super will be along shortly... wtf.

Same with the price, I said all those rumours people were lapping up and predicting the prices will be much higher were just fake news being spread by nvidia to then make people think £649 is a bargain. It ain’t, especially with it only having 10gb. It only looks that way due to the fake news and because turing being a turd.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You might be onto something - one of the leaked sizes for a Navi GPU was 340MM2.



KittyCorgi was saying Big Navi was under 500MM2. There was some implication in that Twitter thread the 500MM2 GPU possibly could be Arcturus.

This reminds me of the HD4870 - nobody was quite sure if what the specs were until launch!
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What if AMDs strategy is to go for smaller cheaper dies and it's not to be faster than Nvidia but to be competitive at a much lower price instead? Essentially what they did with Ryzen and selling well despite Intel being faster in a number of areas.
 
Troezar said:
What if AMDs strategy is to go for smaller cheaper dies and it's not to be faster than Nvidia but to be competitive at a much lower price instead? Essentially what they did with Ryzen and selling well despite Intel being faster in a number of areas.
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If they can match and have lower power requirements, I'm in. Saves me the hassle of selling and buying a PSU (as well as the extra cost of doing so).
 
TNA said:
Haha. So true. Testament to Nvidia’s mindshare.




Agreed. Even though I plan on getting a 3080, I am not under the illusion of it being a flagship card, that’s just marketing. I tried to say this but some just don’t want to hear it, so much so they go look for the definition of flagship to justify why it is flagship. It’s like dude, we all know a 3080Ti/Super will be along shortly... wtf.

Same with the price, I said all those rumours people were lapping up and predicting the prices will be much higher were just fake news being spread by nvidia to then make people think £649 is a bargain. It ain’t, especially with it only having 10gb. It only looks that way due to the fake news and because turing being a turd.
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You've been on those red pills again haven't you :p:D
 
Troezar said:
I am constantly amazed how Nvidia's marketing sucks people in. 3080 is now a "flagship". Have people forgotten the 1080, there was all the same "it's the top card" nonsense to justify the price. Then the 1080Ti dropped. They'll do exactly the same again. It can only be cognitive dissonance, religious fervour or deliberate/paid marketing to think otherwise.
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Perhaps those who believe 3080 is the new flagship are banking on the possibility that if AMD does not deliver competitive hardware that Nvidia may simply not release the fabled ti/super version of the 3080?
 
Nbuilder said:
Perhaps those who believe 3080 is the new flagship are banking on the possibility that if AMD does not deliver competitive hardware that Nvidia may simply not release the fabled ti/super version of the 3080?
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That's definitely a possibility and it will then be fair to say it's the flagship, if you ignore the 3090. I'm not that trusting though, I'm confident that the lure of more sales of expensive cards would tempt Jensen to release one.

The trick is to keep consumers buying at a certain price point continuously. If they can release a new card at a higher price or even at the same price and shuffle everything down one tier they keep tempting customers to buy, to upgrade or get better "value". I've got great respect for Nvidia's marketing, they are brilliant. I think it's manipulative but consumers do have a choice not to buy. AMDs marketing seems like it's run by engineers who've not quite got the same ruthless pursuit of your hard-earned cash...yet ;)
 
Troezar said:
I am constantly amazed how Nvidia's marketing sucks people in. 3080 is now a "flagship". Have people forgotten the 1080, there was all the same "it's the top card" nonsense to justify the price. Then the 1080Ti dropped. They'll do exactly the same again. It can only be cognitive dissonance, religious fervour or deliberate/paid marketing to think otherwise.
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The 1080Ti came almost a year after the 1080 if I recall it certainly wasn't a few weeks or months and it was at least $100 more for +3GB vram and more shaders.
 
LtMatt said:
Same with mine Tbh, however I decided to return mine for a full refund anyway. Will put that towards a future purchase now. ;)

Back and slumming it on Radeon VII for a while.
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Slumming it on my Radeon VII also! Can't believe in a few months these cards will be 2 years old!

Also surprised that they are selling on the bay, used, for up to 700-800! That's more than the £610 I paid on launch day, guess it's because of the compute performance and 16GB VRAM!

Hope AMD have something that matches the 3090, or slides in between the 3080/3090 with less powerdraw and more VRAM.

The 3090 sounds great, but I'm not keen on a 350W card. My radeon VII, at 295w, is the upper limit on the heat output I'm okay with............

I think AMD have a good chance to beat NV at performance per watt this gen, on the superior 7nm TSMC process, will be a nice change!
 
Troezar said:
What if AMDs strategy is to go for smaller cheaper dies and it's not to be faster than Nvidia but to be competitive at a much lower price instead? Essentially what they did with Ryzen and selling well despite Intel being faster in a number of areas.
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Rogame said HD4870 vs GTX260. So it could be AMD is going for a relatively high performance smaller die?
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Rogame said HD4870 vs GTX260. So it could be AMD is going for a relatively high performance smaller die?
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Smaller die would make sense because AMD make more profit with the CPUs. What would AMD rather sell a 500mm^2 part for at most $1000 (assuming Renoir density, 120 CUs and > 3090 performance which seems really far fetched) with all the other board costs as well or 3x 4950X's for $750 or so a pop.
 
JediFragger said:
Tbf looking at the size of the Xbox GPU proportion then they could still get a chip performing great at 350/400mm
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timorous said:
Smaller die would make sense because AMD make more profit with the CPUs. What would AMD rather sell a 500mm^2 part for at most $1000 (assuming Renoir density, 120 CUs and > 3090 performance which seems really far fetched) with all the other board costs as well or 3x 4950X's for $750 or so a pop.
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If it has solid performance and good performance/watt,it might be a good upgrade for my system,as its SFF.
 
I don't care really if AMD beats Nvidia's 3090. That GPU is so uninteresting. 350 watts of furnace power, no thanks. I'm much more interested in a GPU that gives me around 80-100% of my Vega 64 for cheap. My Vega is already doing 1440p fairly well, just need that extra oomph to the lows above 65-70, and being able to also run high/ultra-high in next-gen titles would be sweet.
 
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