Regular 1080 was also 699 USD for FE on launch2 generation gap -- plus comparing Ti to base edition... do the same comparison to the 3080Ti
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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And less vram.
1440p. Won't miss it.
Gotta hand it to Nvidia though, they rape people price wise with 20xx series and suddenly £650 cards become a bargain....
The general behavior I'm seeing is people scrambling to get hold of one, asking if their PSU is able to cope and then whining about how ugly the power adaptor cable looks. Certainly seems that way @SpudMaster
2 generation gap -- plus comparing Ti to base edition... do the same comparison to the 3080Ti
And less vram.
Better comparison
all out of topic, you in the wrong thread guys, some respect needed here for topics.
mods....
Hahahaha.
Rich coming from you
Also, the topic is in regards to the "nVidia Killer" -- talk of the nVidia cards that are scheduled for execution is very well on topic.
Gotta hand it to Nvidia though, they rape people price wise with 20xx series and suddenly £650 cards become a bargain....
Prices aren't amazing but at least you get something more appropriate for the tiers rather than a distinctly mid-range product being passed off as high end - ignoring that the 3080 only gets 10GB VRAM. Though that then leads to people complaining their future 3090 purchase isn't hugely faster than the 3080 at half the price :s
This mindset is just irksome and ridiculous in equal measure. To infer that AMD cannot and will not deliver simply because they've failed in the past is small-minded and idiotic. Ryzen's very existence immediately proves you wrong.
Further add that we're not discussing numbers or potential in a red-tinted frenzy here, there is valid basis for the speculation, 3 foundations in fact. Yet dismissal of what AMD could bring is based purely on tripe and "oh well they've been crap before so of course they'll be crap again" childish thinking.
Big Navi is somewhere between 500mm2 and 550mm2 - with linear scaling this means big navi is +-10% within range of the 3080
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The general behavior I'm seeing is people scrambling to get hold of one, asking if their PSU is able to cope and then whining about how ugly the power adaptor cable looks. Certainly seems that way @SpudMaster
Yeah that adapter is too short and ugly. Also if you've watched JayzTwoCents 3080 unbound video the gpu comes with a notice that suggests using after market adapters will void the warranty
.We all know they wouldn't know what adapter was used but it....!
500mm² only works if transistor density is about the same as RDNA which would be lower than the 3xxx series.
With Renoir transistor densities you would be looking at around 350mm² for 21B transistors which is enough for 80CUs.
If it is 500mm² and 80CU with 21B ish transistors there is a lot of wasted space.
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I am constantly amazed how Nvidia's marketing sucks people in. 3080 is now a "flagship". Have people forgotten the 1080, there was all the same "it's the top card" nonsense to justify the price. Then the 1080Ti dropped. They'll do exactly the same again. It can only be cognitive dissonance, religious fervour or deliberate/paid marketing to think otherwise.
A fair comparison is how much is the price and what are they calling it. You can't compare $700 card if it was top tier and now is called by the second tier name. The same goes for AMD, I'll look at the 6700XT performance and price and compare it with the 5700XT. I won't be comparing the 5700XT with the 6900XT just because the 5700XT was the flagship card last time. It was only ever mid-tier.
That all said I can see them releasing cards that give 3070 and 3080 early adopters cause to doubt their purchases.
A fair comparison is how much is the price and what are they calling it. You can't compare $700 card if it was top tier and now is called by the second tier name. The same goes for AMD, I'll look at the 6700XT performance and price and compare it with the 5700XT. I won't be comparing the 5700XT with the 6900XT just because the 5700XT was the flagship card last time. It was only ever mid-tier.
That all said I can see them releasing cards that give 3070 and 3080 early adopters cause to doubt their purchases.
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those rumors really make it difficult for people to decide
Edit: Is that count being misattributed?
http://www.elimomo.com/nvidias-gefo...gship-24-gb-vram-19-5-gbps-gddr6x-speeds.html
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My 5700XT is doing pretty much everything I'm asking of it atm (lower rendered resolution in some games but the Sharpening makes up for it) so I'm gonna wait it out and see what both sides drop. It's going to be v v interesting!! 
My 5700XT is doing pretty much everything I'm asking of it atm (lower rendered resolution in some games but the Sharpening makes up for it) so I'm gonna wait it out and see what both sides drop. It's going to be v v interesting!!
That's the most sensible approach. See how they perform, power draw/temperature, features etc. Then make an informed decision. After you've seen enough launches a pattern emerges, you can't believe the rumours or what the manufacturers tell you
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Yeah, have seen a fair few myself by now!! Roll on end of October!
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-xbox-series-x-silicon-hot-chips-analysis
"Around 47 per cent of the entire area is gifted to the 56 AMD RDNA 2 graphics compute units (four of which are disabled in order to allow chips with minor defects to make their way into production consoles)"
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Yup that looks like 21 billion for 505 sq mm..now with more rumours trickling in that the size might be even smaller than 505.. well..
3080 is effectively 23 billion, and with DLSS and stuff, looks like an uphill battle
3080 is effectively 23 billion, and with DLSS and stuff, looks like an uphill battle
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