AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

Residem · 12 Sep 2020 at 21:29

Th0nt said:
There wont be many people sinking £500 on both a console then another £650 for a GPU in November

Perhaps not this year but the console and GPU cycle is over several years. Not sure if that was in response to me but surely a PC gamer who buys a console at launch this year may still end up upgrading their GPU next year depending on performance and the lure of shiny new toys?

thebandit · 12 Sep 2020 at 21:29

Satchfanuk said:
Another cringeworthy video listening to Paul trying to chew his way through saliva whilst lazily mispronouncing most of the English language

^^
This really made me chuckle

gpuerrilla · 12 Sep 2020 at 21:32

Residem said:
Perhaps not this year but the console and GPU cycle is over several years. Not sure if that was in response to me but surely a PC gamer who buys a console at launch this year may still end up upgrading their GPU next year depending on performance and the lure of shiny new toys?

If you read the post literally, you will see the words in November which means shelling out in the same month not either product 'next year' following.

Residem · 12 Sep 2020 at 21:55

Th0nt said:
If you read the post literally, you will see the words in November which means shelling out in the same month not either product 'next year' following.

Ok, but my point still stands. Even if they aren't shelling out for both in November does it really matter if they will shell out for both eventually? It's not like a product with a 2+ year lifespan will succeed or fail in the first month.

gpuerrilla · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:04

Residem said:
Ok, but my point still stands. Even if they aren't shelling out for both in November does it really matter if they will shell out for both eventually? It's not like a product with a 2+ year lifespan will succeed or fail in the first month.

No its highly likely people will accumulate tech - I got a PS4 a while back after picking up a vega. Now Im reading this statement Im not following what your angle is - I never said eventually? My post was directly after @Sargatanas2511 regarding NDA and consoles launching at the same time. My point being, the console mainstream buyers wont necessarily give a monkeys what the PC components are doing as they will be gaming flat out on their new toy. Its going to be a small portion of people that come November will buy both a PS5 AND a 3070 for example (that will be £1000+ spent). :S

Davedree · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:10

humbug said:
Can't see GPUlet TBH, the Block Diagram has a "Fabric" between the Shaders and IMC/IO so certainly an external IMC/IO die like Zen 2 is a good educated guess and that's the sort of thing where give that they have proven it in Zen 2 AMD themselves have said splitting the Shaders up into chiplets presents some very difficult challenges, so they have looked at it and i'm sure they are putting R&D into it, i just can't see it this generation.

It's exactly the same Interconnect as Vega nothing to do with Mcm i'm afraid.

chris85oc · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:29

Just wondering.

If RDNA2 is pretty much 3080 raster perf territory but worse than 2080ti raytracing perf, while also missing certain features like a DLSS equivalent but at 50-100 euros cheaper... will you guys still consider it a good option?

Phixsator · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:42

chris85oc said:
Just wondering.

If RDNA2 is pretty much 3080 raster perf territory but worse than 2080ti raytracing perf, while also missing certain features like a DLSS equivalent but at 50-100 euros cheaper... will you guys still consider it a good option?

I don't consider DLSS(because it is not working with most games) or RT main features at this point, they are addons that could help sway my opinion if everything else was equal such as price and raster performance. So yes to your question if it puts RDNA 2 within my budget for a new GPU. By the time RT is big enough to care about (IMO) a new generation of graphics will either be on the doorstep or already here and the evaluation of best purchase will start all over again.

humbug · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:43

chris85oc said:
Just wondering.

If RDNA2 is pretty much 3080 raster perf territory but worse than 2080ti raytracing perf, while also missing certain features like a DLSS equivalent but at 50-100 euros cheaper... will you guys still consider it a good option?

£100 cheaper, yes.

gpuerrilla · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:44

Always has been.

DDH · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:44

chris85oc said:
Just wondering.

If RDNA2 is pretty much 3080 raster perf territory but worse than 2080ti raytracing perf, while also missing certain features like a DLSS equivalent but at 50-100 euros cheaper... will you guys still consider it a good option?

If it only matches a 3080 but suffered greatly with RT and doesn't have a dlss like solution then probably not a good option unless cheaper.

If it matches the 3080 and has RT performance that is the same as or better without having a dlss like solution for a little bit cheaper than it is an equally valid option

Lokken86 · 12 Sep 2020 at 22:59

chris85oc said:
Just wondering.

If RDNA2 is pretty much 3080 raster perf territory but worse than 2080ti raytracing perf, while also missing certain features like a DLSS equivalent but at 50-100 euros cheaper... will you guys still consider it a good option?

I'll buy one for 100 less if the VR performance is close and it has 16gb.

gronf · 12 Sep 2020 at 23:58

I currently have a 1070, and I'm fully open to switching back to AMD. Couldn't care less about them beating the 3090, or even the 3080 much. My budget is roughly 5-600USD, so a 3070 is on my radar currently, but I dislike the 8GB. So, for me, AMD "just" need to have more VRAM, similar rasterization performance, decent RT, good drivers, decent cooling - all for a similar price is fine, and then I'll likely have such an AMD card to go along with my 4700X. Failing that, I may just splurge for a 3080 and call it a day.

HangTime · 13 Sep 2020 at 00:54

4K8KW10 said:
At 4K the CPU doesn't really matter. They could have used an old Athlon or Celeron and still get the same FPS.

Depends how powerful the GPU is relative to the CPU and how CPU limited the game is in general. With a decent GPU, something like Civ6 is CPU limited at 4k for example.

DmitryD · 13 Sep 2020 at 01:19

Sargatanas2511 said:
I am sure a while ago AMD stated RDNA2 would be available on PC before on consoles.

Yes before, like it turns out a month or so - and why do you think is that? Maybe because two big buyers (Sony/Microsoft) who bankrolled RDNA did not want their consoles to be obsolete.

DmitryD · 13 Sep 2020 at 01:20

Howling said:
Just one console? Peasant

+1

docsonic · 13 Sep 2020 at 01:29

I'm definitely getting rdna2.. my wife wants to get me a series x for xmas

Which suits me just fine as I don't plan to upgrade my 5700xt until next summer.. plenty of time for the dust to settle..

Sargatanas2511 · 13 Sep 2020 at 01:52

DmitryD said:
Yes before, like it turns out a month or so - and why do you think is that? Maybe because two big buyers (Sony/Microsoft) who bankrolled RDNA did not want their consoles to be obsolete.

Or because it wasn't ready?

Nablaoperator · 13 Sep 2020 at 06:13

DmitryD said:
Yes before, like it turns out a month or so - and why do you think is that? Maybe because two big buyers (Sony/Microsoft) who bankrolled RDNA did not want their consoles to be obsolete.

They are already obsolete.. think there will be another Xbox or playstation launch in early 2022.

Lokken86 · 13 Sep 2020 at 06:15

Nablaoperator said:
They are already obsolete.. think there will be another Xbox or playstation launch in early 2022.

It annoys me that they bring out refreshes of the consoles now. I'd have been super ****** off if I'd bought a regular ps4 when they released the pro.