AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[gpuerrilla]

With the recent leaked benchmarks of the 3080 only being around 25% faster and using 30% more power than a 2080ti on what looks to be quite a poor Samsung 8nm node then I personally think AMD have got a great chance this time around to be very competitive.

If the AIB cards keep going up it wont look like such a good option thats for sure. Just have to see what the new navi's appear at compared to the 2080Ti. Pointless comparing DLSS+raytracing on benchmarks.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Hell I might even get a 3080 next week just to play with for a few weeks and then pass it on after all the dust has settled! If the shortages are true then I'm not gonna lose a lot once I've sold the provided codes and I'd have had my fun with her

I wouldnt mind if the 3080 ended up being the better buy then, you can move it on IF and big if AMD have something substantial. If you can afford this risk then its a good strategy.

 

[humbug]

nvidia buyer only buys nvidia. "Its AMD's fault..." precisely why this forum cracks me up. Some dont even give AMD a chance no matter so they shouldn't complain.

I think these people are a minority.

I think this is the generation where AMD start to give Nvidia a headache in much the same way Ryzen 1000 did to Intel.

Will AMD match the 3090? No. Does that matter? for mindshare yes, Does it matter beyond that? No.

AMD will get somewhere between the 3080 and 3090 at well below Nvidia's £1500 for the 3090, it may cost the same or even less than the 3080 and make the 3090 completely defunct, does that matter? Oh yes.

Will AMD's RT be as crisp looking as Nvidia? No. does it matter? As long as its good enough and the performance is there, No.

AMD will have something that they can market as DLSS2, will it be as good as DLSS2? No. Does it matter? No. will it work in every game? Yes, does that matter? Yes.

Nvidia know with RDNA2 AMD are going to come on a lot stronger this time round, they have pre-empted that. Do they think they have done enough? Yes, Have they? No.

 

[aoaaron]

nvidia buyer only buys nvidia. "Its AMD's fault..." precisely why this forum cracks me up. Some dont even give AMD a chance no matter so they shouldn't complain.

What date do you think we will be able to buy an AMD card with comparable performance to the 3080 and it be delivered to our front door from an AIB partner?

Estimates are 2021 but some youtubers.. so I think being that late is AMD's fault.

 

[Rroff]

With the recent leaked benchmarks of the 3080 only being around 25% faster and using 30% more power than a 2080ti on what looks to be quite a poor Samsung 8nm node then I personally think AMD have got a great chance this time around to be very competitive.

Rhetorically maybe the reason they are using Samsung 8nm is partly due to problems or cost of producing GPU size cores on TSMC 7nm?

 

[JediFragger]

I wouldnt mind if the 3080 ended up being the better buy then, you can move it on IF and big if AMD have something substantial. If you can afford this risk then its a good strategy.

I wouldn't worry, plenty of nVidia buyers out there

 

[Greebo]

Rhetorically maybe the reason they are using Samsung 8nm is partly due to problems or cost of producing GPU size cores on TSMC 7nm?

Yeah I suspect if they had managed to use TSMC 7nm we might had got cards which were 20% faster than this but would have had to cost the same as the 2000 series did last time.

 

[Rroff]

Yeah I suspect if they had managed to use TSMC 7nm we might had got cards which were 20% faster than this but would have had to cost the same as the 2000 series did last time.

Samsung 8nm is nearly half the cost to design for and depending on requirements TSMC 7nm 30-300% more expensive to produce for the same design (assuming you don't need the benefits of the smaller process) - combined with some of the other TSMC 7nm customers like MediaTek going back to 12/14nm for some of their larger cores, partly citing costs (and TSMC are supporting MediaTek), I have a feeling anyone expecting AMD to come along and disrupt the market on price are going to be distinctly disappointed.

 

[TT158]

Can't be that good if you aren't even waiting to see what they got.

nvidia buyer only buys nvidia. "Its AMD's fault..." precisely why this forum cracks me up. Some dont even give AMD a chance no matter so they shouldn't complain.

It's all about probabilities at this stage. There's a chance supply will make it difficult to get a 3080 after launch day. A chance that Big Navi will be better / better value. But we don't know for sure, so I'll buy a 3080, which will satisfy my needs, I'm fairly sure, and if there is a massive reason to change in the near future, I can. Simple. I don't care who makes the card.

 

[gpuerrilla]

What date do you think we will be able to buy an AMD card with comparable performance to the 3080 and it be delivered to our front door from an AIB partner?

Estimates are 2021 but some youtubers.. so I think being that late is AMD's fault.

I dont know what world you live in but companies dont make products just to fit in with a competitor's calendar. Do you see apple rush to release the new iPhone at the same time as Samsung's Galaxy? No. Its ready when its ready, if the product is that good it will sell itself.

Why are your demands also skewing in from an AIB partner? This criticism is to suit your narrative. I dont care if you want an AMD product now just because nvidia are nearly ready with theirs because you know what, your likely a stickler for the mindshare and if they were neck and neck probably choose the nvidia card.

Take a look at all the games on steam, then the games that are coming out up until 2021 ends. If you think they will all have DLSS and raytracing you are mistaken. The smart person will get the most horsepower their budget can manage so in a years time the fps is high enough without dropping too many settings. The 4 games that will market with DLSS and raytracing will be good and shiny, but dont count on many more.

 

[aoaaron]

I dont know what world you live in but companies dont make products just to fit in with a competitor's calendar. Do you see apple rush to release the new iPhone at the same time as Samsung's Galaxy? No. Its ready when its ready, if the product is that good it will sell itself.

Why are your demands also skewing in from an AIB partner? This criticism is to suit your narrative. I dont care if you want an AMD product now just because nvidia are nearly ready with theirs because you know what, your likely a stickler for the mindshare and if they were neck and neck probably choose the nvidia card.

Take a look at all the games on steam, then the games that are coming out up until 2021 ends. If you think they will all have DLSS and raytracing you are mistaken. The smart person will get the most horsepower their budget can manage so in a years time the fps is high enough without dropping too many settings. The 4 games that will market with DLSS and raytracing will be good and shiny, but dont count on many more.

You didn't answer my question at all in your little rant. Quite hillarious. I didn't even mention RTX or DLSS. The reason I mention AIB partner, is because NVIDIA cards will be available from AIB partners. I think its fair to compare two competitor GPU brands.


What date do you think we will be able to buy an AMD card with comparable performance to the 3080 and it be delivered to our front door from an AIB partner? Its a simple question.

 

[4K8KW10]

Samsung 8nm is nearly half the cost to design for and depending on requirements TSMC 7nm 30-300% more expensive to produce for the same design (assuming you don't need the benefits of the smaller process) - combined with some of the other TSMC 7nm customers like MediaTek going back to 12/14nm for some of their larger cores, partly citing costs (and TSMC are supporting MediaTek), I have a feeling anyone expecting AMD to come along and disrupt the market on price are going to be distinctly disappointed.

AMD has to move the graphics dies to chiplets of let's say maximum 150 mm²:

Entry level - 1 chiplet.
Mid-range - 2 chiplets via 2-way CrossFire;
High-end - 3 chiplets via Tri-way CrossFire;
Enthusiast tier - 4 chiplets via Quad-GPU CrossFire.

 

[Nablaoperator]

I believe dlss uptake should be good and it could get into dx12 standard..
next release cycle, Microsoft would like to launch a proper 8k console..

Take a look at all the games on steam, then the games that are coming out up until 2021 ends. If you think they will all have DLSS and raytracing you are mistaken

 

[aoaaron]

I believe dlss uptake should be good and it could get into dx12 standard..
next release cycle, Microsoft would like to launch a proper 8k console..

Why release an 8k consoles with no 8k panels outside of the Samsung range (which have tanked review wise from credible sources as the sarifices to hit 8k have meant some compromises to PQ)?

NVIDIA need to get more games supporting DLSS. Until they do, its just a gimick IMO. Thats on them to chase.

 

[4K8KW10]

lol 4K is not even the most popular choice there, with very low sales in the PC segment, 8K is a decade away.

 

[jjgreenwood]

I dont know what world you live in but companies dont make products just to fit in with a competitor's calendar. Do you see apple rush to release the new iPhone at the same time as Samsung's Galaxy? No. Its ready when its ready, if the product is that good it will sell itself.

Why are your demands also skewing in from an AIB partner? This criticism is to suit your narrative. I dont care if you want an AMD product now just because nvidia are nearly ready with theirs because you know what, your likely a stickler for the mindshare and if they were neck and neck probably choose the nvidia card.

Take a look at all the games on steam, then the games that are coming out up until 2021 ends. If you think they will all have DLSS and raytracing you are mistaken. The smart person will get the most horsepower their budget can manage so in a years time the fps is high enough without dropping too many settings. The 4 games that will market with DLSS and raytracing will be good and shiny, but dont count on many more.

Quite.

Also if it is same performance as a 3080 then they will sell it for the same price, possibly even more if it does use less energy, can be used in crossfire etc etc. After 2 years of the same old from GPU's these cards will sell out for the first 6 months anyway.

 

[gpuerrilla]

You didn't answer my question at all in your little rant. Quite hillarious. I didn't even mention RTX or DLSS. The reason I mention AIB partner, is because NVIDIA cards will be available from AIB partners. I think its fair to compare two competitor GPU brands.


What date do you think we will be able to buy an AMD card with comparable performance to the 3080 and it be delivered to our front door from an AIB partner?

Its a simple question, I asked for a date.

The date you will be able to buy an AMD card comparable to 3080 delivered to your front door will be 16th November. I have no idea about AIB partners, there is no information to go on.

 

[aoaaron]

The date you will be able to buy an AMD card comparable to 3080 delivered to your front door will be 16th November. I have no idea about AIB partners, there is no information to go on.

Nice, so only 2 months late this time

I'll likely buy a 3080 and if the AMD card is better, buy the AMD card and sell the 3080.

Also to your post about 'the smart man', the smart man earns enough money that these purchases don't require too much thought process/power

 

[Rroff]

AMD has to move the graphics dies to chiplets of let's say maximum 150 mm²:

Entry level - 1 chiplet.
Mid-range - 2 chiplets via 2-way CrossFire;
High-end - 3 chiplets via Tri-way CrossFire;
Enthusiast tier - 4 chiplets via Quad-GPU CrossFire.

Unless developers start embracing explicit multi-adaptor in a useful way chiplets aren't the future - not in that way - unless someone makes a breakthrough tech wise. Some kind of MCM type designs are coming but they won't be like people are thinking. We are still missing several key parts of the puzzle when it comes to using multiple smaller cores for game rendering that doesn't have the same issues as CF/SLI.

 

[4K8KW10]

Unless developers start embracing explicit multi-adaptor in a useful way chiplets aren't the future - not in that way - unless someone makes a breakthrough tech wise. Some kind of MCM type designs are coming but they won't be like people are thinking. We are still missing several key parts of the puzzle when it comes to using multiple smaller cores for game rendering that doesn't have the same issues as CF/SLI.

I don't think AMD must rely on the developers. They should enable the technologies via their own drivers.