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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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thenewoc said:
Perhaps they want to build up stocks and what they have competes with what NV are bringing out next such as 20GB 3080's so by waiting they're not showing their hand to NV too early.
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I honestly think Nvidia are going to struggle to get a 3080 20GB out this year, the backlog of parts they need to complete the current backlog of orders is going to suck them dry until December. Micron were saying the 2GB modules are next year...
 
BigBANGtheory said:
I honestly think Nvidia are going to struggle to get a 3080 20GB out this year, the backlog of parts they need to complete the current backlog of orders is going to suck them dry until December. Micron were saying the 2GB modules are next year...
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Nvidia are artificially choking supply to drive demand which is increasing the sales off their site and giving their board partners better margin.

Expect this to remain as long as possible, Nvidias partners were apparently not happy with the low price of the 3080 as it hit their normal fat margins considerably, so if you create artificial supply and demand issues, your product price goes up, they can keep inflated for a while and eventually drop it down to a still healthy profit level but still more than the original RRP
 
I'm starting to believe AMD are playing a perfect game here. Let the Nvidia fanboys fall over themselves trying to buy the low stock high mark-up 3080s (MSRP will be hard to find) and then release a GPU that is close to, or meets 3080 for less money and more VRAM.

I'm hoping the Nvidia fanboys will be left with a rotten taste in their mouth when they realise Jensen has just dry-humped them while making them beg for it. If this is what it takes to sour them a bit on Nvidia then it will be worth it. Though I doubt it as they haven't caught on yet. It is genuinely fun to see the usual suspects give off about AMD not delivering, or crying because AMD are being too quiet on Navi. I suspect they have no intention of going AMD no matter what but they still come to an AMD thread to complain that it's all AMD's fault. They complain AMD need to compete, yet when they do they still buy Nvidia "cus drivers from 20 years ago innit". AMD only exist so they can force a price war and they can get an Nvidia GPU cheaper.
  • Nvidia claiming 3080 was up to 2x 2080 speed but delivering 60%-70%. Ironically this is actually a great increase for the same money, yet Nvidia still chose to lie... WTF, it's like they can't stop themselves from lying.
  • Claiming 50% faster than 2080TI (the DF Doom video was sponsored by Nvidia) but delivering 25%. Again a great increase in price/perf, so why the need to lie with BS marketing?
Despite the BS from Nvidia the main complaint is "AMD are too quiet". It's pathetic and sad to watch so called intelligent people this way.

I prefer AMD because they are nowhere near as bad as Nvidia with the outright lying and cheating. Yet when the dust settles I will pick the best GPU for my money as I am pragmatic that way. Last time it was between RTX2080 and Radeon VII and I went with the 2080 because it was a better GPU apart from VRAM.

Don't get me wrong. If AMD's aim was only ever to deliver a GPU that is as fast as a 2 year old 2080Ti for half the price, then I will call them out for it. Yet if it is between 2080Ti and 3080 for a good price then I would call that a win.

So the "leaks" that big Navi is between 3070 and 3080 are pleasing to me. I would be happy with that performance at ~ £550
 
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Journey said:
Why would an out spoken person like yourself who has professed their only concern is to be at the pinnacle of gaming performance, not the cost, or the power draw, or the cost be hanging around for AMD if you know their history? Didn't you own a 2080 Ti, or still own even? You already know that you are buying a 3090, right what other option could you possible have to fit those requirements?

You sound like you just want to whine about AMD, while you have zero intention of actually buying one of their products as you are not their targeted customer base.

I love having no skin in the game for either brand, I build systems day in day out for people who end up with some fetish for one brand or another and too me it's just a piece of tech that does a job, and need to either fit in a price or a performance bracket. If AMD continue to do what they are doing right now it makes no difference, after all we are talking about people who play games here, it's entertainment not saving lives.
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Yeah this is a thing. Strange complainers that historically dont buy AMD but would love to :rolleyes: or they hate on them at pretty much anything and only want them to exist so their nvidia purchases are 'cheaper'. Never seen such cheese in my life.
 
muon said:
This is a very clever slide that people are falling for.

The base here is GCN.

So the progresssion is

1 -> 1.5 -> 2.0

So the second +50% is actually a +33% over RDNA. Or at least they could claim it was this all along.
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No it is not and there are other slides that are claiming +50% perf/watt for RDNA2 over RDNA.

The base is vega 64 with 40 active CUs vs Navi 10 with 40 CUs.
 
ICDP said:
I'm starting to believe AMD are playing a perfect game here. Let the Nvidia fanboys fall over themselves trying to buy the low stock high mark-up 3080s (MSRP will be hard to find) and then release a GPU that is close to, or meets 3080 for less money and more VRAM.

I'm hoping the Nvidia fanboys will be left with a rotten taste in their mouth when they realise Jensen has just dry-humped them while making them beg for it. If this is what it takes to sour them a bit on Nvidia then it will be worth it. Though I doubt it as they haven't caught on yet. It is genuinely fun to see the usual suspects give off about AMD not delivering, or crying because AMD are being too quiet on Navi. I suspect they have no intention of going AMD no matter what but they still come to an AMD thread to complain that it's all AMD's fault. They complain AMD need to compete, yet when they do they still buy Nvidia "cus drivers from 20 years ago innit". AMD only exist so they can force a price war and they can get an Nvidia GPU cheaper.
  • Nvidia claiming 3080 was up to 2x 2080 speed but delivering 60%-70%. Ironically this is actually a great increase for the same money, yet Nvidia still chose to lie... WTF, it's like they can't stop themselves from lying.
  • Claiming 50% faster than 2080TI (the DF Doom video was sponsored by Nvidia) but delivering 25%. Again a great increase in price/perf, so why the need to lie with BS marketing?
Despite the BS from Nvidia the main complaint is "AMD are too quiet". It's pathetic and sad to watch so called intelligent people this way.

I prefer AMD because they are nowhere near as bad as Nvidia with the outright lying and cheating. Yet when the dust settles I will pick the best GPU for my money as I am pragmatic that way. Last time it was between RTX2080 and Radeon VII and I went with the 2080 because it was a better GPU apart from VRAM.

Don't get me wrong. If AMD's aim was only ever to deliver a GPU that is as fast as a 2 year old 2080Ti for half the price, then I will call them out for it. Yet if it is between 2080Ti and 3080 for a good price then I would call that a win.

So the "leaks" that big Navi is between 3070 and 3080 are pleasing to me. I would be happy with that performance at ~ £550
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I hope for your sake AMD deliver this time - otherwise this post is going to look a bit silly.
 
The question is though...if AMD does indeed deliver and it's close if not slightly better than the 3080 at a comparable price will we be faced with a similar bot/scalper situation once more. When the 5700XT was released you could buy the 5700, 5700XT or 5700XT 50th Anniversary direct from AMD who use the same distributer as NVIDIA for their sales. A very similar process for ordering so we could in theory be looking at a similar situation for those who want to get AMD's own "Founders Edition".

A lot will depend on the stock situation and we need to hope that AMD have given themselves plenty of time to amass a decent volume of stock for themselves and their AIB partners. COVID however is certainly putting some obstacles in the way this year so let's just hope when these cards are released they deliver and can actually be delivered :p
 
jrodga2k5 said:
The question is though...if AMD does indeed deliver and it's close if not slightly better than the 3080 at a comparable price will we be faced with a similar bot/scalper situation once more. When the 5700XT was released you could buy the 5700, 5700XT or 5700XT 50th Anniversary direct from AMD who use the same distributer as NVIDIA for their sales. A very similar process for ordering so we could in theory be looking at a similar situation for those who want to get AMD's own "Founders Edition".

A lot will depend on the stock situation and we need to hope that AMD have given themselves plenty of time to amass a decent volume of stock for themselves and their AIB partners. COVID however is certainly putting some obstacles in the way this year so let's just hope when these cards are released they deliver and can actually be delivered :p
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I think it'd be best for AMD if it updates its entire graphics cards stack.

Navi 21 (Navi 10 + 80% performance) - RX 6800 XT and RX 6800
Navi 22 (Navi 10 + 50% performance) - RX 6700 XT and RX 6700
Navi 23 (Navi 10 + 20% performance)- RX 6600, 6500...


And if it wishes, to rebrand the RX 5700 XT to RX 6400 and the RX 5500 XT to RX 6300.
 
Rroff said:
I hope for your sake AMD deliver this time - otherwise this post is going to look a bit silly.
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You must have missed (or ignored) the part where I said this?

Don't get me wrong. If AMD's aim was only ever to deliver a GPU that is as fast as a 2 year old 2080Ti for half the price, then I will call them out for it.

So I know only to well how AMD have a habit of aiming low and failing. Though someone being pragmatic and waiting for actual facts and verifiable data before making an informed decisions will never be made to look silly. Failing to do that is how we ended up with Brexit.
 
ICDP said:
You must have missed (or ignored) the part where I said this?

Don't get me wrong. If AMD's aim was only ever to deliver a GPU that is as fast as a 2 year old 2080Ti for half the price, then I will call them out for it.

So I know only to well how AMD have a habit of aiming low and failing. Though someone being pragmatic and waiting for actual facts before making an informed decisions will never make them look silly. Failing to do that is how we ended up with Brexit.
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None the less the first bit has a lot of calling out that if AMD fail to deliver will look silly.
 
It needed to be said. The Nvidia launch was hyped beyond belief, didn't meet that hype and was practically a paper launch. I wonder did you call out Nvidia for the BS they have pulled?

I suspect not because while for the most you come across as a fair and impartial poster, just not when it comes to anything Nvidia.
 
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Dave2150 said:
No matter how fast it is, the drivers will probably spoil the card. AMD haven't had a good launch, driver wise, for many years. Their software always lets down their hardware. Hopefully it's not the case this time.
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Everyone says this, I've only ever had a driver problem once... that's it... and that was with a 295x2 which is hardly a surprise... this AMD Drivers sucks thing... it's annoying me in a way because I never experience any problems on release day and all I've had is AMD cards for 12 years now...
 
g67575 said:
They removed the '7nm+' from the marketing slides for RDNA 2. Probably, because 7nm EUV isnt ready yet.
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No, they removed the + from the slides because it conflicted with TSMC's naming scheme. AMD intended + to indicate a newer, enhanced 7nm node, and not to be confused with TSMC's actually-named 7nm+. And all of TSMC's 7nm nodes have been running perfectly fine for a while now, really don't know where you got this "7nm EUV isn't ready" from.
 
james.miller said:
Have AMD told us they are targeting the 3080 yet? or are we still in full-on assumption mode?
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Still assumption mode. Though if their "big" Navi ends up trading blows with a 2080Ti it will be a fail IMHO as they will be 2 years late. For some reason the last few AMD GPU releases have worked in some weird bubble. They aim at current top Nvidia GPU knowing it will take 2 years or more until AMD release a competitor but they idiotically assume Nvidia aren't planning any upgrades of their own for the same timescales. Then they act all surprised that they are still two years behind the curve.

For the first time in almost a decade Nvidia have slipped up slightly, now we see if AMD can benefit from that slip.
 
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