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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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4K8KW10 said:
Yes, AMD has said it multiple times that high-end Navi cards are on their way:
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That's not what i asked.

AMD: Big Navi Radeon RX GPUs Are Going To Disrupt 4K Gaming, Similar To How Ryzen Disrupted The CPU Segment
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https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-radeon-rx-gpus-disrupt-4k-enthusiast-gaming-segment/
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disrupting 4k does not mean 3080-beating.

I'm going to take this as AMD havent confirmed anything so again it looks like we are going to chastise them for not meeting expectations, expectations we have based on pure assumption?

are we doing that to AMD again?
 
ICDP said:
Still assumption mode. Though if their "big" Navi ends up trading blows with a 2080Ti it will be a fail IMHO as they will be 2 years late. For some reason the last few AMD GPU releases have worked in some weird bubble. They aim at current top Nvidia GPU knowing it will take 2 years or more until AMD release a competitor but they idiotically assume Nvidia aren't planning any upgrades of their own for the same timescales. Then they act all surprised that they are still two years behind the curve.

For the first time in almost a decade Nvidia have slipped up slightly, now we see if AMD can benefit from that slip.
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"Trading blows" with the RTX 2080 Ti today means mid-range RTX 3070 level of performance, which would ultimately mean that Dr Lisa Su breaks her promises for high-end competitive graphics products.

AMD’s Lisa Su: ‘We will have a high-end Navi’
https://videocardz.com/newz/amds-lisa-su-we-will-have-a-high-end-navi
 
ICDP said:
They aim at current top Nvidia GPU knowing it will take 2 years or more until AMD release a competitor but they idiotically assume Nvidia aren't planning any upgrades of their own for the same timescales. Then they act all surprised that they are still two years behind the curve.
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And you honestly believe that AMD aren't aware of NVidia's performance and think it's going to remain static? They can only work with what they have and sometimes it doesn't scale or clock as well as first thought so they have to make the most of what they have.
 
Gerard said:
And you honestly believe that AMD aren't aware of NVidia's performance and think it's going to remain static? They can only work with what they have and sometimes it doesn't scale or clock as well as first thought so they have to make the most of what they have.
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Has AMD even tried to release a 80-CU RDNA 1 Navi 10 or it settled with only mid-range 250 sq. mm Navi that was on par with RTX 2070?
 
4K8KW10 said:
Has AMD even tried to release a 80-CU RDNA 1 Navi 10 or it settled with only mid-range 250 sq. mm Navi that was on par with RTX 2070?
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The armchair engineer reappears.. They will release what they have on their own schedule, they don't go according to a schedule set by some random forum poster who thinks he has all the answers.
 
Wow this thread is spouting some cack all based on nowt hahaha. Fun to read tough lol... weirdly even though I'll probably stick with AMD dependant on vfm and performance compared to what I have... I'm really interested in the 3090, as I'm actually interested to see true benchmarks compared to the 3080 and what nigh on double the price actually gets you?

As for Big Navi, I'm happy just sitting and waiting for them to announce and release, not sure why the have to release at the same time as nVidia at all... personally I couldn't care if they release in Q1 next year as long as it's serious value for money and a huge improvement on the 5700XT which is where I want them to be.
 
Gerard said:
The armchair engineer reappears.. They will release what they have on their own schedule, they don't go according to a schedule set by some random forum poster who thinks he has all the answers.
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And this is why AMD will not get my money, nor the money of 80 or 90% of the other potential "armchair engineer" customers :D
 
Gerard said:
Yeah I'm sure they're devastated knowing that money with your signature on it won't be winging it's way to them.
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This is ignorance, arrogance and think only about themselves - such companies sooner or later go bankrupt.
Of course, if they don't work for their customers and the best requests, then who am I to judge them.... let them go wherever they deserve to be. :o:rolleyes:
 
4K8KW10 said:
This is ignorance, arrogance and think only about themselves - such companies sooner or later go bankrupt.
Of course, if they don't work for their customers and the best requests, then who am I to judge them.... let them go wherever they deserve to be. :o:rolleyes:
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Here ya go son, knock yourself out.

https://jobs.amd.com/go/Engineering/2566900/
 
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4K8KW10 said:
Yes, AMD has said it multiple times that high-end Navi cards are on their way:

AMD: Big Navi Radeon RX GPUs Are Going To Disrupt 4K Gaming, Similar To How Ryzen Disrupted The CPU Segment
https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-radeon-rx-gpus-disrupt-4k-enthusiast-gaming-segment/
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Yawn. They also claimed the Polaris cards would disrupt the market ("VR for the masses" and all that crap).

If we're pinning our hopes on AMD's use of the word "disruptive", then people should start thinking about getting their hype train season tickets refunded :p
 
I think AMD not competing with the 3080 is a very real possibility.

Its when people say an 80 CU RDNA2 can only compete with a 3070 or a bit more is where the argument completely falls flat on its face for me, they are under estimating the 5700XT and over estimating the 3070, its like they bought in to Leather Jacket mans marketing hype hook line and sinker despite what is now obvious about all that, it was predictably massively exaggerated.

I'll say it again, the 3080 is barely more than 32% faster than the 2080TI, at 4K, it has 48% more shaders than the 3070, you'd be lucky if the 3070 is 25% faster than the 5700XT and an RDNA2 GPU with improved IPC, near 20% higher clocks with 100% more shaders can't get much more than +25%?

We are already forgetting the XBox Series X is between a 2080 Super and a 2080TI with 52 CU's at 1825Mhz, the 3070 is = to the Xbox Series X, again this is a low clocked 52 CU RDNA2 GPU.

AMD might not reach the 3080, they might only be between the 3070 and 3080, but if they are going to do that its with a PS5 level clocked XBox Series X GPU, not the 80 CU monster wich would put the poo's up the 3090.
 
james.miller said:
That's not what i asked.

disrupting 4k does not mean 3080-beating.

I'm going to take this as AMD havent confirmed anything so again it looks like we are going to chastise them for not meeting expectations, expectations we have based on pure assumption?

are we doing that to AMD again?
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It depends on how we look at it. What if AMD have set their "expectations" low and aimed for ~2080Ti performance at a significantly lower price point? Should they be applauded or mocked?

2080Ti is ~50% faster than 5700XT at 4k, and 40% faster at 1440p. So for example is it a realistic expectation that AMD will get at least ~60% - 70% performance increase over 5700XT? That would put it between 2080Ti and RTX 3080. New architecture and higher clocks mean it should be logically possible. So even if this is not AMDs expectations, they are at least realistic ones. If AMD falls below this performance figure and release a GPU that is matching a 2 year old 2080Ti (or worse) then their "expectations" should be rightly mocked.
 
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