Lmao!!
I feel like this gif was made with you specifically in mind.
Here ya go son, knock yourself out.
https://jobs.amd.com/go/Engineering/2566900/
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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She made that promise in Jan 2020 when 2080Ti was high end. So in essence if AMD release a GPU that meets 2080Ti performance that 9 month old promise will be fulfilled.
I feel like this gif was made with you specifically in mind.
Here ya go son, knock yourself out.
https://jobs.amd.com/go/Engineering/2566900/
Yeah this link should be posted to everyone that basically thinks that they know more about business than a multi million pound company who have now overtook INTEL as a "to be taken seriously" company... and judging by 5000 Ryzen could well actually overtake them properly due to serious clock boosting not just IPC...
Yeah, AMD is now in safe hands with Lisa now, but hey AMD listen, some dude on a forum says you're doing it all wrong and he has a solution? he also reckons that just becuase youv'e not finished your system life cycle he has to know what AMD have so he can make a buying decision... even if your stuff isn't finished and by that won't work if you released early thus also then getting the backlash of the community because you then release a GPU that wasn't fit for purpose because.... that dude said HE HAS TO KNOW NOW!!!
Come on Lisa, listen to this dude... rofl
how much lower though, thats the issue. they would have to really cut the price down a lot to be a big show of price/perf that undercuts all nvidia models near the same performance. im talking a clear £50 cheaper. for a sub £300 card from nvidia.
The preceding sentence you left out does put that quote into better context. I know they work with what they have but the perception from the consumers is "For some reason the last few AMD GPU releases have worked in some weird bubble"
The reality is (regardless of reasons) that AMDs best GPUs barely match Nvidia's 2 year old tech and their mindshare and market-share keep shrinking. Hence my point that perceptions are they are always two steps behind Nvidia looking like donkeys. I hope that RDNA2 has benefited from the profits, R&D and skills/knowledge from the Ryzen success to help them close that gap and improve mindshare. Though for that to happen I believe they need to be closer to RTX3080 price/performance than the 2 year old 2080TI.
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There's more than one die in the oven. Before Digital Foundry got wooed by the recent NV money, they were singing the praises of the RDNA2ish and Ryzen APU in the consoles with regards to power efficiency and high clocks.
I suspect there will be some people delighted with what AMD have and even more for some reason disappointed whatever they release
I suspect there will be some people delighted with what AMD have and even more for some reason disappointed whatever they release
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It's never that black and white but regardless, I don't care what their expectations are - I care about what they've told us and what we should be expecting.
Too many people live up there in lala land, expecting AMD to meet metrics they never said they would, then dumping on AMD when they don't meet them.
I'm not one of those people.
Right, but you keep mentioning their expectations; they haven't even told us what to expect, let alone told us what they are expecting. I will only judge the cards AMD do end up releasing based on their cost vs the competition they end up competing with. If that's a 3080ti or a 3070, I don't care. It's about whether they can deliver it for better value or not.
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Ladies and gentlemen, my names Paul.........
Lord he's painful to watch
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Yes he is pretty painful. I find 'alreet guys' Jim@Adored far easier on the ears even with his accent
so you don't care about what performance you, as the customer, want?
so if AMD release a GPU which is better than the RTX 3060 and cheaper, you are happy?
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If AMD never said they were going to release the card then why would i be disappointed? I would have never expected them to release it in the first place. That's the difference, I'm waiting for AMD to say something. A lot of people here have already decided what AMD are going to (at least try to) do.
If i was looking for 3080 performance and AMD had nothing, id buy a 3080. job done.
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I hope they trash the 3080. Get a card out there with more VRAM which beats the 3080 and the GPU landscape will change for the better. I'm happy to pay AMD £700+ for it. I'm assuming as consoles have AMD chips running on them, porting games might be easier for AMD users too. That would be great as the current state of gaming is consoles first, PC second.
My only worry is the feature set being a bit behind NVIDIA.
But then again, Raytracing on NVIDIA cards is hardly a toggle on and off switch as at present, it eats up the FPS. Even looking at 3080 benchmarks, raytracing is a big killer of FPS, and I don't think many people will take 60fps/RT over 100-120FPS/noRT. DLSS is a game-changer IF developers support it.. which they don't seem to be all the time. All NVIDIA need to do is find the most demanding games to be released and work WITH the developer to get DLSS in the game, but as shown by RDR2 and HZD, they didn't and those games made 20 series GPUs cry. Or maybe they just see DLSS and a mode to off-set the performance loss of RT which makes sense.. but is a bit less of an incentive given not many games are still using RT.
So there are 2 features that although neat.. AMD can easily.. kind of skip or not offer the best performance on, and most will still be happy.
The other feature is VR performance. DLSS 2.0 isn't coming to VR games anytime soon so I'm not too bothered. Maybe we'll have 3 VR games which use it in the next 12-24 months. Hopefully general VR performance is improved though. I haven't looked at recent benches so maybe im talking out of my butt and AMD have closed the gap.
Anyway, I'm rooting for AMD.. but I'm rooting for them to deliver at the high end and maybe I'm alone in this. I think NVIDIA have made plenty of mistakes in regards to VRAM, DLSS not being widely adopted on the highest demanding titles and RTX still having a huge performance hit. I'm sadly not an AMD fan/believer that I will be happy whatever they release. I'm sadly selfish and have my own 4k/120hz display and need to support with money the company which allows me to power it... haha.
An AMD card geared towards near-pure rasterisation, with better optimisation of games due to being tied into the same tech as the consoles, with the VRAM AND speed needed to take advantage of it would be exciting enough.. then maybe they can evolve the RT features later on down the road when framerates can cope with them..
also I like the idea of building a new PC which is all AMD.
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With 256bit bus. This years NAVI aint touching 3080. It will be battling with 3070. Which I said long time ago.
And I think they can win that battle quite easily and make a great card for the 98% of the consumers.
Price it right, include it with the Ryzen 3 bundles and have pleanty of availabilty and you got a win win.
Saldy, navi will need hbm2 to get close to 3080 in 4K and there is no evidence we have NAVI with hbm2 at all out there.
Maybe AMD will be up for releasing a HD 6950XT dual chip (80CU 40+40) Crossfire NAVI with 32GB of ram?
How many people would be interested in that? That could be a big navi?
And I think they can win that battle quite easily and make a great card for the 98% of the consumers.
Price it right, include it with the Ryzen 3 bundles and have pleanty of availabilty and you got a win win.
Saldy, navi will need hbm2 to get close to 3080 in 4K and there is no evidence we have NAVI with hbm2 at all out there.
Maybe AMD will be up for releasing a HD 6950XT dual chip (80CU 40+40) Crossfire NAVI with 32GB of ram?
How many people would be interested in that? That could be a big navi?
It's too bad they are releasing so late, was hoping I did get my build done before the release of Cyberpunk!
I think you are arguing that because AMD have not given us their expectations that we should not be giving our own It doesn't work like that and for the past few GPU releases AMD have been aiming to meet Nvidia tech that they know is going to be 2 years old when AMD release. Weather that is by design or because AMD simply couldn't aim higher is irrelevant because the net effect is ever shrinking mindshare and market-share. It's the old "doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results".
Because of either Nvidia's greed, or a failed gamble with TSMC, we have a situation where AMD have been given a big opportunity to close the gap. They missed the last one when Turing was only 25% faster than 1080Ti (at release). Why they didn't release a bigger 5900XT is anyone's guess but the fact they didn't left them at 3rd tier for over two years. They did release Radeon VII as a sort of effort I suppose but time has not been kind to it (where's that AMD fine wine?) but why not a 5900XT?
They keep aiming their expectations low, but everyone else is thinking "why not aim that little bit higher". Really AMD keep talking about not being the value brand for GPUs, then ****** well act like it and start putting in the effort because it looks to me like they have accepted that 20% market-share is better than nothing. It reminds of the Homer Simpson quote, "trying is the first step towards failure"
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