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[Chuk_Chuk]

But they a lot cheaper

Admittedly i did forget to consider the fact that Nvidia is fabbed at Samsung. With that considered i think the cost of the GPUs will be pretty close.

We know that wafers are cheaper (TSMC VS Samsung). I think the most accurate number we have is 30% cheaper. However we don't know if there are any custom agreements are in place.
AMD probably got a really nice deal, since CPUs, GPUs and consoles are being fabbed there.
There is also the fact that Nvidia are running GDDR6X, which will be costly for them.

 

[GAC]

Admittedly i did forget to consider the fact that Nvidia is fabbed at Samsung. With that considered i think the cost of the GPUs will be pretty close.

We know that wafers are cheaper (TSMC VS Samsung). I think the most accurate number we have is 30% cheaper. However we don't know if there are any custom agreements are in place.
AMD probably got a really nice deal, since CPUs, GPUs and consoles are being fabbed there.
There is also the fact that Nvidia are running GDDR6X, which will be costly for them.

a couple of points. we dont know the specs of amd's new cards yet which includeds memory size and type, also r and d is a cost none of us know that has to be priced in so for all we know a 3080 at £650 could be 5% profit margin or even 20% we just dont know, as well as you say what deals either company has with fabricators.

 

[queamin]

Admittedly i did forget to consider the fact that Nvidia is fabbed at Samsung. With that considered i think the cost of the GPUs will be pretty close.

We know that wafers are cheaper (TSMC VS Samsung). I think the most accurate number we have is 30% cheaper. However we don't know if there are any custom agreements are in place.
AMD probably got a really nice deal, since CPUs, GPUs and consoles are being fabbed there.
There is also the fact that Nvidia are running GDDR6X, which will be costly for them.

Yeah I think they cost about the same with the ram prices (3080/90)

 

[queamin]

a couple of points. we dont know the specs of amd's new cards yet which includeds memory size and type, also r and d is a cost none of us know that has to be priced in so for all we know a 3080 at £650 could be 5% profit margin or even 20% we just dont know, as well as you say what deals either company has with fabricators.

Nvidia will have quite a bit mark up.

 

[LePhuronn]

I am going to take some pillss... this reality is insane.

Maybe if you took your pills sooner you'd have spared us all months and years of your insane dribblings

 

[elroberto]

Nvidia's chips are bigger than AMDs. If there is a price war AMD will fair better than Nvidia.

This. Plus from the information that has come out, even though TSMC's 7nm wafers are more expensive than the Samsung 8nm, the smaller die size, better yields and better power efficiency (meaning less costly cooling solutions) negate that wafer price advantage.

 

[GAC]

Nvidia will have quite a bit mark up.

they do ? any actual figures to prove that or just opinion's being used as fact because someone claims to know! previous generation cards we may have a clue about with yearly financials and some educated guesswork on fab prices but the 3080 no chance as of yet.

 

[midweek]

I'd normally be in the x080 segment for buying a GPU. If AMD can bring a card that is in that ballpark, with available stock and, lets face it, cheaper than the Nvidia offering then I think quite a lot of people would buy it.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

a couple of points. we dont know the specs of amd's new cards yet which includeds memory size and type, also r and d is a cost none of us know that has to be priced in so for all we know a 3080 at £650 could be 5% profit margin or even 20% we just dont know, as well as you say what deals either company has with fabricators.

We know that they won't be using GDDR6X because that was developed by Nvidia and Micron. So Nvidia will want it exclusively for a little bit. AMD has stated than 8GB is for low end cards.

they do ? any actual figures to prove that or just opinion's being used as fact because someone claims to know! previous generation cards we may have a clue about with yearly financials and some educated guesswork on fab prices but the 3080 no chance as of yet.

I think it was taken from their balance sheets. The figure i've seen around is 60%.

 

[LePhuronn]

OK, let's ignore 3080 and above and focus on the 3070.

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it? Or would it need to be cheaper?

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

 

[Lokken86]

OK, let's ignore 3080 and above and focus on the 3070.

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it? Or would it need to be cheaper?

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

£450 would be pretty awesome I think. I've never spent more then that on a gpu.

 

[queamin]

they do ? any actual figures to prove that or just opinion's being used as fact because someone claims to know! previous generation cards we may have a clue about with yearly financials and some educated guesswork on fab prices but the 3080 no chance as of yet.

Not on 3*** yet but if dies are as cheap as people have said on youtube and rams prices are known so yes you can have a guess if die size is known.

 

[humbug]

OK, let's ignore 3080 and above and focus on the 3070.

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it? Or would it need to be cheaper?

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it?

No, not with the 3070 at £500.

Or would it need to be cheaper?

Yes.

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

The same performance for the same money i would be looking at other things that are less important to me, RT quality, DLSS, the software stack, i would probably get the 3070.

 

[FoxEye]

OK, let's ignore 3080 and above and focus on the 3070.

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it? Or would it need to be cheaper?

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

I don't want to go above £400. It's pointless when I can grab the same performance in a console for £450. And given that my PC won't magically disappear in a puff of smoke if I buy an XSX, I can still use the PC for PC things

 

[TNA]

The same performance for the same money i would be looking at other things that are less important to me, RT quality, DLSS, the software stack, i would probably get the 3070.

Upgrading again so soon?

 

[gpuerrilla]

I don't want to go above £400. It's pointless when I can grab the same performance in a console for £450. And given that my PC won't magically disappear in a puff of smoke if I buy an XSX, I can still use the PC for PC things

Looks like your a standard 6700 then! The XT will be between them and up the stack goes..

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

OK, let's ignore 3080 and above and focus on the 3070.

3070 is £500, 3080 is £700. If AMD landed a card slap bang between the 3070 and 3080 priced at £600 would you buy it? Or would it need to be cheaper?

Or, if AMD drop a card that is 3070 performance, how much cheaper than £500 would it need to be for you to land a sale?

This isn't an answer more as something to consider. When priced so close together you will have people up selling themselves. It could actually be detrimental to AMD if they priced themselves like that.

 

[humbug]

I don't want to go above £400. It's pointless when I can grab the same performance in a console for £450. And given that my PC won't magically disappear in a puff of smoke if I buy an XSX, I can still use the PC for PC things

That too, i'm not in the habit of paying more than £400 for GPU's, i have already moved up from a limit of £350 to accommodate the reality of mid range GPU prices these days.

If they just keep getting more expensive i'm moving to consoles.

Upgrading again so soon?

I might, it depands...

 

[TNA]

I might, it depands...

Lol

I can't wait. Floppy and I will have field day if you do

 

[humbug]

If AMD can do me an RDNA2 GPU that is 10 or 20% faster than my 5700XT with 16 or even 12GB VRam for £350 to <£400 they may have sold one.