That is the point that was 3 years ago, they both had crap drivers
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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That is the point that was 3 years ago, they both had crap drivers
Younger people who can't afford one will be hoping Santa will oblige.
Yes, I hope they have more than 3080 launch.
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5700xt is quite small and not very power efficient. Make it bigger, increase the power efficiency and yes, you can get close to that 78%.
LE: 5700xt is 251mm while rtx3080 is 628mm.
Yeah but they can't fullfill them so are going to have to cancel a lot
Without context that number is meaningless.
Is it 20,000 sales out of a project lifetime sales of 50,000? Then yeah it is a lot.
Is it 20,000 sales out of a project lifetime sales of 500,000? Then no it isn't a lot.
For reference, in 2016 Nvidia shipped ~9.25 million desktop GPUs.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10864/discrete-desktop-gpu-market-trends-q3-2016/4
Well it looks like Nvidia rushed their launch which AMD clearly isn't doing so hopefully should see more stock...they also need to put measures in place to make it more difficult for scalpers. Won't change the number of units sold but would be a free pro-consumer demonstration of goodwill...while making Nvidia look bad in the process. They need to have a good launch though. They'll still be outsold but if they can pull that back to 30% it just builds momentum for the future which will push Nvidia to do better in future too.
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The worst part is that those Chinese slave drivers will be overworking their staff for fulfilling these nvidia orders.. that's enough bad karma for jensen to last a lifetime 
People keep saying this, but I don't see rumours about supply constraints, let alone tangible evidence. We don't know which AMD products are on which node, it's entirely possible whatever RX 6000 is built on just isn't used by any other AMD product. For all we know, RX 6000 is built on plain vanilla N7 which is freed up by Zen 3 not being produced on it. Are the consoles on EUV and RX 6000 on N7P? What about N6?
Plus, with so many people going on about "AMD should say something now" and "AMD are late to the party", has anybody thought that holding off until end of October is entirely to build a stock and avoid a paper launch?
That's the pre-order figures for one card manufactured by one AIB from Amazon in Germany. That Zotac card probably wouldn't have the most popular choice. How many pre-orders would there have been for EVGA, ASUS, MSI and Gigabyte cards if the Zotac card got 20,000.
And that's just from one site in one country. Now add in all the other Online stores and Retails stores in Germany and include every brand of card. How many orders are you looking at? Now expand that out to include more Countries, like the USA, Canada, The UK, China, Denmark, Sweden, France, Spain, Italy etc. etc.
Well, you get the idea. There could have been millions of Pre-orders and all for one make of card from Nvidia, the 3080.
It just shows how big the demand is at the moment for new cards. I wonder was there ever such a demand for $699 card before?
The nvidia demand is probably so high due to...
1.Covid 19 lockdowns have restricted people from spending their money on holidays and day trips so much so they have disposable cash.
2.The 10 series of cards are just starting to show their age and where the 20 series seemed a bit meh, the potential for 200+% performance increases with 3080 are welcomed.
3.They have skills generating hype
4. People working from home are justifying pc spending more than ever.
I plan to upgrade in Jan - Feb and hope all cards from AMD and Nvidia are comfortably stocked and priced by then.
I don't necessarily see AMD producing something groundbreaking but I hope they offer performance at a good price.
Paying over 650 for a card would be a no from me.
1.Covid 19 lockdowns have restricted people from spending their money on holidays and day trips so much so they have disposable cash.
2.The 10 series of cards are just starting to show their age and where the 20 series seemed a bit meh, the potential for 200+% performance increases with 3080 are welcomed.
3.They have skills generating hype
4. People working from home are justifying pc spending more than ever.
I plan to upgrade in Jan - Feb and hope all cards from AMD and Nvidia are comfortably stocked and priced by then.
I don't necessarily see AMD producing something groundbreaking but I hope they offer performance at a good price.
Paying over 650 for a card would be a no from me.
Yes, but AMD must allow some benchmark leaks now.
RTX 3080 with only 10GB of VRAM is not future proof, and if Navi 22 with 12 GB and Navi 21 with 16 GB are real and coming, then people should spend on Radeon instead.
Like this:
https://www.en24news.com/2020/09/radeon-rx-6000-big-navi-performance-results-leaked.html
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This really is a paper launch, they launched the GPU's, but they don't actually have any GPU's to sell.
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Be interested to see what it ends up at, 2100Mhz is 10% higher than the 5700XT.
I think it should be between 2200Mhz and 2300Mhz
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I do hope so phuronn...I do hope so.
Nothing would please me more than to pick up one on oct28. But I am a bit sceptical looking back at AMDs previous history...
Why do they have to? Nvidia have more cards to release. Amd might aswell see the entire lineup benched.
People have already committed to nvidia so amd needn't flap too much about sales they aren't going to get anyway.
If people are claiming that 10gb aint enough then them people are likely to be holding out for more anyway.
I dunno why everyone is so desperate for them to show something. AMD are probably just prioritising Cpus at minute anyway. Probably more profit to be made.
The RX 5700 XT has three main clocks - base, game and boost; it depends on what exactly that 2100 MHz is.
If it's the base clock, you have 30% clock uplift right there.
And if this is the top SKU with all 80 CUs enabled, 50-60% higher performance per watt than Navi 10, then you will have a very strong card which may fully justify its modelling name 6900 series.
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It will be interesting to see if these clockspeeds are within the voltage sweetspot or the GPUs are being pushed a bit.
Yeah ^^^
Yes, the reference 5700XT tops out at around 1900Mhz, usually between 1850Mhz and 1900Mhz, if its toping out at around 2100Mhz (2050 / 2100) its +10%
Yes, the reference 5700XT tops out at around 1900Mhz, usually between 1850Mhz and 1900Mhz, if its toping out at around 2100Mhz (2050 / 2100) its +10%
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