If Big Navi surpasses the 3080 then the 3090 would have to be dropped substantially in price otherwise the 3080 and below would all have to drop down a tier. I think the 3090 becoming the sub £1000 3080 Super or Ti is what would happen with the name retained as it would result in less customers being burned from their early adoption. If their's any more room under the hood for a 3090 beater then a new 3090 would be released as a Super or Ti. I don't actually think they have any more headroom in this architecture to do that though. I just think they've made a bad choice in releasing the 3090 as a 3090 and at the chosen price point.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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i wont say that... theres a lot less salt on twitter regarding the 3090 launch compared to what happened with 3080
I dare say there wasn't the same mad rush or volumes of customers for 3090 though. The problem for NV is they've boxed themselves in if AMD have a decent Big Navi.
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I am betting on that as well 
No cards to buy helps when they also cost an ARM and a leg.
As I stated previously, samsung 8nm node is broken and heat will be a big issue for a lot of owners and psu 12v ampere.
Tsmc isn't broken so Big Navis are looking good coming soon and then you can own something good
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I don't think that's the case.. public sources suggest that the 8nm ultra high density node can pack more transistors than TSMC 7nm and some clients have reverted to 8nm for some of their larger designs..Helped by Samsung's generous pricing. TSMC 's yields are better but the 8nm defect density is also considered world class.
The non availability can be stemming from something as simple as a rushed launch or if youve been following recent rumours on new SKUs, it might be very well possible that Micron's gotten lazy with those GDDR6 chips.
You won't see anything leaked by AMD before Ryzen i don't think.Would be interested to see some performance leaks for Big Navi. It’s like torture waiting for these announcements
Nvidias Ampere launch reeks of desperation to me... look at the evidence
Paper Launch of cards
Cards clocked to their limit out the box
Cards failing out of the box due to Partners clocking them too high to outdo each other
10-15% Per increase on Halo product (3090) while its twice the cost of the product below and requires "wtf" levels of cooling (look at the size of the damn thing)
3080 Launched at a price that defies current Nvidia logic (year on year price hikes)
3070 will be slower than the 2080ti (some people will be unable to comprehend this)
This looks like an AMD launch, seriously, this is the type of stuff we are used to from AMD, but Nvidias Mindshare is so ridiculously great that buyers are blaming everyone but Nvidia themselves for this launch, look at how many new registrations this board has had this past week, most of them complaining about OCUK, a business doing business things, no vitriol has been pushed Nvidias way.
Look how many people have registered to ask for help with this series of card because its crashing or blackscreening etc, ive seen more posts from people who managed to get one, having issues, than i have seen from people who managed to get one, enjoying the damn thing.
If this had been an AMD launch, you would have people with pitchforks and torches outside their headoffice... but as its Nvidia people seem unable to point the finger at them...
The sad thing is, if AMD have a good launch, they will be doomed, as you have morons like Jayz2pennies, who no matter what will find fault with their product or launch, and AMD could well be the victims of their own success, if they sell out fast it'll be "yeah AMD again dont have stock, small company" yada yada.
Too many people are setting unrealistic goals that AMD need to achieve, so they can defend Nvidia.... such as
Needs to beat 3080 performance at £500
Needs to beat Nvidia at DLSS and Raytracing and still be cheaper
Needs to beat 3090 and be half the price
Need to have 40million units available on release day or its a fail
Obviously im exaggerating a little but you get the idea, the fact i have to explain i am over egging it needs to be said though, as there are a lot of weird people on here who literally take everything anyone says as their word.
The point im trying to make is, nothing in the GPU space will change til people actually wake up and start voting with their wallets to Nvidia that enough is enough, there are still tons of people joining the 3080 pre-order queues, its just so laughable. Honestly i was tempted to get a 3080 prior to the launch and reviews, now after the launch there is absolutely zero chance i will buy one, i am not about to pay Zotac more money for their version of the 3080 that actually performs worse than the FE version of the 3080, but there are many people who will willing shovel their cash at Zotac because they offer a 5 year (non transferable) warranty. Too many people are caught up by marketing nowadays.
I have ordered an Xbox Series X to replace my Xbox One X, i will likely order a new 5800X CPU to replace my 3800X CPU, and i will probably order an AMD Gpu to replace my 5700XT, my Criteria is i would like something resembling 2080ti performance if at all possible for around the £650 mark, i dont think that is unreasonable, im not bothered by Ray Tracing or DLSS etc, i game 3440x1440p so something that can hit my 100mhz screen fps target will suffice
Paper Launch of cards
Cards clocked to their limit out the box
Cards failing out of the box due to Partners clocking them too high to outdo each other
10-15% Per increase on Halo product (3090) while its twice the cost of the product below and requires "wtf" levels of cooling (look at the size of the damn thing)
3080 Launched at a price that defies current Nvidia logic (year on year price hikes)
3070 will be slower than the 2080ti (some people will be unable to comprehend this)
This looks like an AMD launch, seriously, this is the type of stuff we are used to from AMD, but Nvidias Mindshare is so ridiculously great that buyers are blaming everyone but Nvidia themselves for this launch, look at how many new registrations this board has had this past week, most of them complaining about OCUK, a business doing business things, no vitriol has been pushed Nvidias way.
Look how many people have registered to ask for help with this series of card because its crashing or blackscreening etc, ive seen more posts from people who managed to get one, having issues, than i have seen from people who managed to get one, enjoying the damn thing.
If this had been an AMD launch, you would have people with pitchforks and torches outside their headoffice... but as its Nvidia people seem unable to point the finger at them...
The sad thing is, if AMD have a good launch, they will be doomed, as you have morons like Jayz2pennies, who no matter what will find fault with their product or launch, and AMD could well be the victims of their own success, if they sell out fast it'll be "yeah AMD again dont have stock, small company" yada yada.
Too many people are setting unrealistic goals that AMD need to achieve, so they can defend Nvidia.... such as
Needs to beat 3080 performance at £500
Needs to beat Nvidia at DLSS and Raytracing and still be cheaper
Needs to beat 3090 and be half the price
Need to have 40million units available on release day or its a fail
Obviously im exaggerating a little but you get the idea, the fact i have to explain i am over egging it needs to be said though, as there are a lot of weird people on here who literally take everything anyone says as their word.
The point im trying to make is, nothing in the GPU space will change til people actually wake up and start voting with their wallets to Nvidia that enough is enough, there are still tons of people joining the 3080 pre-order queues, its just so laughable. Honestly i was tempted to get a 3080 prior to the launch and reviews, now after the launch there is absolutely zero chance i will buy one, i am not about to pay Zotac more money for their version of the 3080 that actually performs worse than the FE version of the 3080, but there are many people who will willing shovel their cash at Zotac because they offer a 5 year (non transferable) warranty. Too many people are caught up by marketing nowadays.
I have ordered an Xbox Series X to replace my Xbox One X, i will likely order a new 5800X CPU to replace my 3800X CPU, and i will probably order an AMD Gpu to replace my 5700XT, my Criteria is i would like something resembling 2080ti performance if at all possible for around the £650 mark, i dont think that is unreasonable, im not bothered by Ray Tracing or DLSS etc, i game 3440x1440p so something that can hit my 100mhz screen fps target will suffice
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AMD on october 28: "Sienna Cichlid aka 6900 XT RDN2 available on 12 DEC.... for $###"
Or
Amd on October 28 "Sienna Cichlid aka 6900 XT RDN2 available tomorrow for $###"
Or
Amd on October 28 "Sienna Cichlid aka 6900 XT RDN2 available tomorrow for $###"
Hope those prices there are accurate, I have a bag of hash browns in the freezer.
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Yes we need a 999 part from them..ofc that price has to be justified
Amd very rarely not shine. The trouble is that shine is never enough for the haters, dingbats, trolls and fanboys.
Point in case: Vega offered nothing, Polaris never scaled past entry level and then out of the blue the 5700XT lands and beats Nvidia's shiny "brand new" 2070 for a chunk of bucks less. But no, that's clearly not AMD shining because there's nothing to beat the 2080 Ti, it doesn't cost £50, there's no ray tracing despite the 2070 can't ray trace for **** in the 3 games that use it, there's no DLSS despite RIS and FidelityFX being superior to DLSS 1.0, and DLSS 1.0 only exists in 2 games.
RDNA 1 did shine within its admittedly limited scope, RDNA 2 is starting to glimmer even with little information out there, Nvidia went into utter panic mode and botched Ampere at every level. AMD are already shining.
The question though is can AMD capitalise.
Just need the people to take off their sunglasses so they can actually see it ... maybe they'll they realise what that bright thing was!
Sunglasses? Feels like green-tinted contacts surgically fused to their eyes half the time.
Polaris didn't shine. It offered by then R390 performance for by then R390 prices.
That's not exactly shining. If it is you've set a very low bar.
They also had to sacrifice perf/W to get anywhere near nVidia, clocking the cards well above their sweet spot.
That's not exactly shining. If it is you've set a very low bar.
They also had to sacrifice perf/W to get anywhere near nVidia, clocking the cards well above their sweet spot.
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