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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

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I don't see how AMD can guarentee enough RDNA 2 desktop GPU stock for everyone. Is it even rational to expect them to know what the demand will be like?
 
DDH said:
I don't think so. The cards will be out early Nov most likely, before you get your 3090 I'd say.
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We have an official announcement on the 28th of October. There's been no launch in history where AMD have gone from an announcement, to product's being in stock a week later. They'd literally have to be shipping cards worldwide right now for that to happen.

That said, I can cancel my 3090 strix oc pre-order if AMD release a card within a few weeks, just as long as it's similar performance in both rasterization and RT, with no driver issues. That would be lovely, as I prefer AMD cards, I've had them since the 9800pro years ago!
 
g67575 said:
I don't see how AMD can guarentee enough RDNA 2 desktop GPU stock for everyone. Is it even rational to expect them to know what the demand will be like?
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Last I heard was TSMC 7nm production is maxed out, making millions of PS5/Xbox chips, Ryzen chips etc. I can't see there being adequate stock, even if big Navi is competitive.
 
Dave2150 said:
We have an official announcement on the 28th of October. There's been no launch in history where AMD have gone from an announcement, to product's being in stock a week later. They'd literally have to be shipping cards worldwide right now for that to happen.

That said, I can cancel my 3090 strix oc pre-order if AMD release a card within a few weeks, just as long as it's similar performance in both rasterization and RT, with no driver issues. That would be lovely, as I prefer AMD cards, I've had them since the 9800pro years ago!
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Jesus Dave, have you read any of this thread?
 
Dave2150 said:
We have an official announcement on the 28th of October. There's been no launch in history where AMD have gone from an announcement, to product's being in stock a week later. They'd literally have to be shipping cards worldwide right now for that to happen.

That said, I can cancel my 3090 strix oc pre-order if AMD release a card within a few weeks, just as long as it's similar performance in both rasterization and RT, with no driver issues. That would be lovely, as I prefer AMD cards, I've had them since the 9800pro years ago!
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Didnt they announce then say there available now with the 4xx series for 200 dollars.
 
Th0nt said:
AMD released when they were ready. You see what happens even to the mighty nvidia when you rush something.

Just because you bought a 3090 as it was available doesnt mean you can blame AMD for being slow. Do all the component manufacturers agree to release products together or for a certain time of year? People are just impatient.

AMD said they would release the cards before consoles from what I can remember. Rumor is after the end of October announcement cards should be available second week November. If this holds true, you may see people with AMD cards playing games before 3080/90 buyers which is laughable considering people banged on about nvidia beating AMD to launch with nothing to show..
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AMD knows what they have, even if they don't have it in mass production yet. It looks like I may have to wait if Nvidia can't get their $h!t together, but I don't feel like playing "I've got a secret." with AMD.

I'm fine waiting a month or so for something better...**if** there's actually something better...coming reasonably soon.

But no. AMD can't be bothered to let us in on the performance of their stuff.

Patience is one thing. Waiting in the dark is another.
 
Dave2150 said:
Last I heard was TSMC 7nm production is maxed out, making millions of PS5/Xbox chips, Ryzen chips etc. I can't see there being adequate stock, even if big Navi is competitive.
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Can't be any less than the 30 series, so I'd say your wait for an AMD card will be less than your 3090.

Also, AMD have around 43k 7nm wafers P/m right now, so i think they'll be fine
 
Both of the console RDNA 2 GPUs may only have 64 ROPs. The specs on techpowerup for the Series X is just an estimate.

Assuming they are both 64 ROPs, you have to wonder why AMD would choose to do that, considering the importantance of pixel rate when running games at 4K resolution.

Is it likely they would double the ROP count for some of the desktop variants?
 
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g67575 said:
The console RDNA GPUs may only have 64 ROPs. The specs on techpowerup for the Series X is just an estimate.

Assuming they are both 64 ROPs, you have to wonder AMD would choose to do that, considering the important of pixel rate when running games at 4K resolution.

Is it likely they would double the ROP count for some of the desktop variants?
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I dont think AMD care at that point its Sony/M$ problem. They work together on a spec, consoles want hardware to be cheap as possible so they can sell a unit for under £500, if they market and think the hardware can handle it then AMD would have met certain conditions. Would be a great documentary actually but all the secret sauce would mean it wouldnt be aired till 2028 or something! :p
 
B@Th*nG said:
they're not the same, they're coming at things from a different angle aren't they?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but how I understand it is that Radeon VRS takes a 1440p resolution and downscales it to 1080p, for example, for a smoother image but uses all the processing power 1440p requires. This seems to principally be for people with 1080p or 1440p monitors, with processing power to burn, who want to scale down a 1440p or 4k image respectively.

Trixx boost does, the far more useful, upscaling of a lower resolution to a higher resolution. Which, combined with image sharpening, produces an image that's nearly as good as the full resolution but without the performance overhead of the full resolution.

Perhaps a combination of all 3 of these could produce something akin to 1440p image quality, with 1080p performance on a 1080p monitor
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It's been a long time since I've used VSR but it allows you to render in higher resolution, even at desktop. I use to use it on my old pc setup years ago which was at a lower resolution. It allowed me to render a 1200p resolution up to 1600p. Which was great, I loved it (and still miss it today). And it also worked like SSAA in game but at a performance hit. But it only worked on certain resolutions:

1920 X 1200 @ 60Hz
2048 X 1536
2560 X 1600
3840 X 2400

1920 X 1080 @ 60Hz
2560 X 1440
3200 X 1800
3840 X 2160

1920 X 1080 @ 120Hz
1920 X 1200 @
2048 X 1536 @

2560 X 1440 @ 60Hz
3200 X 1800
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That's not the whole list.
I'm not sure if it works on frequencies higher then 120hz. This was intended for older cards back in the day like Fury, 7000 series, 200-300 series, etc. I've not come across any updates since then.

As for Trixx Boost it downscales the resolution for a performance boost with very little (and I do mean little) IQ difference. They figured out that 85% is the perfect balance between IQ and performance from your native resolution. All you do is enable it at desktop. Make sure that RIS is enabled (start around 40%). The screen will flicker and start your game and select that resolution that Trixx Boost created. You will be hard pressed to notice the difference in IQ yet see a nice boost improvement in fps. Now I'm not sure if this works on all AIBs as this is a sapphire app. YMMV.
 
I checked techpowerup's database, all the GPUs with 128 ROPs (or more) have been Tesla GPUs. It shows that it can be done, but perhaps only at a high production cost? Or, perhaps 128 ROPs presents some significant design challenges.

Perhaps 96 ROPs (50% increase) is a more realistic amount to expect for RDNA 2 desktop GPUs? That would be the same amount as the RTX 3080. According to the 'core config' on wikipedia, the RTX 3070 only has 64 ROPs (GDDR6 VRAM too).

A +75% increase vs the 5700 XT would result in 112 ROPs, the same amount as the RTX 3090. Much more appealing from a performance point of view.

Specs from this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_30_series#Products
 
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TheRealDeal said:
Think you mean Nvidia paper launched to get in front as atm all we can confirm is AMD are on there target launch. Yea Nvidia got a few cards out and you are lucky to have got one but saying AMD were to slow is dismissing NV's horrible half attempt at a launch.
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+1
 
Dave2150 said:
Drivers are the biggest concern. Navi was a let down in terms of drivers; there were issues that took 6 months to resolve... I'm hoping AMD take enough time to release a solid card that will win back trust.

Sadly this time around I need a HDMI 2.1 card asap, as I'm limited to 4k60hz on my CX48, and I really want to try 120Hz at 4k, hence my Strix 3090 OC order. AMD were too slow for me this generation, though I'm glad they aren't rushing things out, as per my above sentence.

The big Navi announcement is the end of October, where they may release a launch date? I'm guessing that will be Jan/February, as I think it's too late for them to hit the festive period, though happy to be wrong on this one.
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The 3090... aka 3080 ME (Mug Edition). Enjoy that 10% speed boost for only 110% extra cash!
 
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