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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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Nvidia has no control of the purchases - the people may wish or may not wish to spend. Nvidia may want the top margins but they must give something at least decent in return.
So far, I haven't seen anyone recommending the 10GB card for future-proofing - actually the opposite - this card is a downgrade from the memory configuration of the RTX 2080 Ti and not enough for 4K gaming.
Look, they have to lower the price even more
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Nvidia has no control of the purchases - the people may wish or may not wish to spend. Nvidia may want the top margins but they must give something at least decent in return.
So far, I haven't seen anyone recommending the 10GB card for future-proofing - actually the opposite - this card is a downgrade from the memory configuration of the RTX 2080 Ti and not enough for 4K gaming.
Look, they have to lower the price even more
They don't have to, what Nvidia do is sell their product to AIB partners, who sell to distributors and retailers not to customers. Nvidia don't want to manufacture 1M Founders Edition 3080's and sell em at £650 to you or me, you are not supposed to buy those anymore than when Ryan Air say you can fly to Egypt for £100 or you can spend a night at the Mayfair Hilton for £75 its there for marketing and control.
The flight tickets are with heavy discounts while the RTX 3080 has its value around the MRSP and should not be sold ever for more. Even that is too much.
You compare apples (tickets) to watermelons (GPUs).
RTX 3080 will be like the apples if it sells for half the recent price.
I sort of get the complaint... but at the same time, I suspect the cards are aimed at resolution points, ie 1080p (x700), 1440p (x800) then 2160p (x900)... I don't think 6gb is especially constricting at that resolution; I also expect that at 1080p it's a masssssssssssive step up from the 5700 and will be priced very competitively. That's just my suspicion though.
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Its all the same marketing and business principals at play, its a method to sell at higher GP thats all. Nvidia's performance is measured per quarter and annually if they choke supply to effect price that is a calculated measure it doesn't matter if its apples, water melons or rocket engine parts
They have said perf per watt is double last gen so if it was using 300w it should perform well.
The very same page has all the framerates, and it doesn't look like there's any drop off in performance on the 6gb cards compared to the 8gb equivalents though... even at the 1440p res. I suspect the game was asking for more memory on the 2080ti tests because there's more memory available rather than it needing that memory.
It would be nice if TPU said HOW they got their memory figures though.. 'cause as far as I know there's no way to actually measure usage; just allocation.
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I believe the figure quoted by AMD is a 50% increase in performance per watt, not double (although according to RedGamingTech - big pinch of salt - the figure could be closer to 60%).
This is not true - there is a heavy performance drop for a 6GB card, you can see RX Vega 64 8GB vs RX 5600 XT 6GB and this is an old title, remind you, with respect to the new product launch which should see the cards future-proof.
6GB is utter nonsense for a card faster than the RX 5700 XT that is already with 8GB.
Some AMD cards with not enough memory even FAIL to run the game.
From 1080p
To 2160p
To FAIL:
Ya, the 5600XT drops off a bit of a cliff at each resolution bump - but if you look at the 2060 6GB and 2060 Super 8GB, the 2060 doesn't drop off the same cliff.. Or is 6gb nvidia memory somehow bigger than 6gb of AMD memory? I don't think the 5600XT is a representative example, seems more like an issue with that card/architecture/drivers/whatever, simply because the nVidia card doesn't react the same.
i’m sorry but wth is this? Selfishly should never exist in a conversation regarding products you buy as a consumer. The companies arent your friends and this pretty much shows your true colors.
I get whats best for me, my money. I don’t stan / fanboy for companies and no one should.
If prices depended only on how much profit manufacturers *wanted*, the 3080 would have offered 2080Ti performance for 2080Ti money. That's the formula Nvidia tried with Turing at least.
However, the 3080's price/performance seems to indicate that the Turing experiment did not have the results Nvidia wanted.
Maybe there are more forces at play other than just what Nvidia wants.
However, the 3080's price/performance seems to indicate that the Turing experiment did not have the results Nvidia wanted.
Maybe there are more forces at play other than just what Nvidia wants.
Then why do they open Facebook accounts and want you there to follow them?
The relationship consumer-company is not "business as usual" as is the relations partner-to-partner when supplier-company, etc business links.
Because that’s what they want people to do, obviously. Then again people going all like ‘I’m not a fanboy, you’re a fanboy’ should be reminded what they are every time they slip up. At least don’t be a hypocrite, you know? ( using ‘you’ here as a general term not you specifically )
Except that inadequate VRAM doesn't cause a frame rate drop as such, it causes stuttering in particular scenarios (i.e. where stuff needs to be loaded on to the GPU). The frame rate doesn't change beyond that. So you can't look at one number and use that as a guide for inadequate VRAM.
This is not true - there is a heavy performance drop for a 6GB card, you can see RX Vega 64 8GB vs RX 5600 XT 6GB and this is an old title, remind you, with respect to the new product launch which should see the cards future-proof.
6GB is utter nonsense for a card faster than the RX 5700 XT that is already with 8GB.
Some AMD cards with not enough memory even FAIL to run the game.
From 1080p
To 2160p
To FAIL:
Your 1080 graph just shows a bunch of 6gb cards beating a future proofed 8gb card. Probably highlighting that you’ll usually run out of grunt before vram. I rarely see VRAM usage higher than 6GB at 1440p on my Titan pascal...
However I wouldn’t buy a 6GB card now even for 1080p.
this is true also
Exactly, when it comes to discretionary non-essentials like GPU's we all want to get the best bang for our buck. People can call that selfish if they want, and I do, but that's not a bad thing. Why shouldn't we be selfish when it comes to spending the wealth we have earned?
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