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MusoStu said:
Just curious how you believe that OCUK broke consumer law here?
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Most of UK Distance Selling Regulations is based around at time of purchase that a contract is agreed upon, on both sides, with a ETA given clearly and delivered within 30 days.
Rather than flood post with key points (as they can all be argued differently at moment due to lack of clarity) here is a basic link - https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

Key points from our perspective is if OC is indeed changing the queue, further delaying our orders, without warning or notice, that is easily a breach. Not only that but can be considered unfair favouritism of sales.
Minor things to nitpick:
  • delivery arrangements, costs and how long goods will take to arrive.
  • conditions for money given as a deposit or financial guarantees. - Should include code as advertised at point of purchase. I ain't paid £50 over original advertised price to then lose another £50 game code on top.
  • deliver the goods within 30 days, unless you’ve agreed otherwise with the customer - Could be argued for the codes.
You then got these ontop - https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses/online-selling

I aint a lawyer, but have dealt similar cases in past. IT all depends on how technical you want to dive, but short answer is, if they are knowingly allowing queue jumping, then yeh...
 
copiedright said:
Again, assuming the databases is accessible and not obfuscated in any way. I have worked on DBs that were in 5th normal form with completely arbitrary design. One I recall, had hundreds of tables with four letter random character table names. It was all generated code and not something that could be easily picked apart. I have spent days going through tables just to build a very basic view. Not saying this is the case, but just pointing out your assumptions are big ones.

Also, forget about making a direct connection into the DB from a web form hastily put together. Even if you have correctly set the permissions to read only, you are risking access to a bunch of confidential data as well as a new vector for DDoS attack. Personally, I would be hesitant to risk an ICO fine in the millions, for a single product, for a subset of customers.

Just trying to point out that this really isn’t as easy as you say. But I do agree that OCUK should provide more information such as orders per card, cancellation rate, etc.
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I too have worked on very old databases like the Goldmine database, which came with a form editor that admins could use to write their own supplementary winforms in, and they just crammed that data into a CONTSUPP table which randomly borrowed whatever fields it wanted to store the data, often across multiple fields if the length wasn't long enough, so trust me, I've had my fare share of decyhpering obscure and badly built databases, but still, it's just SQL, SQL for an experienced developer is super easy to write because it's so powerful, you can join those fields and do arbitrarily complex joins to get the data you need, and you can do it very quickly even with large amount of obfuscation.

I don't think these are big assumptions, I acknowledged early on that there are some assumptions but that they're fairly safe ones, there's some extremely serious problems if they can't just go in and do an SQL query to count a listed of items with a specific itemID. You're not risking any data as long as you write your SQL properly and parameterize your queries as with any other page, all good developers know to do this. I know because I've done loads of info sec work in the past and I'm familar with SQLi and things like that. No such page would be anymore a vector for DDoS than any other page on the site, counts of that kind are not significantly more stressful on a database than pulling basic data. The risks you're describing are really no different from the risks of any kind of development. Yes, when doing any development there's a bunch of considerations you need to make, they're abstracted to the developer.
 
Well, I've cancelled my orders (placed for 3080 and 3090) and no regrets. Got caught up by the hype - I'll sit it out for a few months and wait for the dust to settle and then hopefully have a full choice of cards with knowledge of how they overclock from red team as well as green team with, again hopefully, a reasonably priced 20Gig version green team option.
 
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Swiped from reddit, wtf were evga thinking. :p
 
reecelouie94 said:
they can not change what is being done with capacitors through firmware so they expact us to downvolt all cards?
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not at all no. the voltage tables are messed up. Simply setting a stable maximum 1V is enough to solve this crashing issue. this will not downvolt anything as the card only needs 1V anyway to keep the boosting to 2ghz :)
 
SplitCoreGaming said:
Most of UK Distance Selling Regulations is based around at time of purchase that a contract is agreed upon, on both sides, with a ETA given clearly and delivered within 30 days.
Rather than flood post with key points (as they can all be argued differently at moment due to lack of clarity) here is a basic link - https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

Key points from our perspective is if OC is indeed changing the queue, further delaying our orders, without warning or notice, that is easily a breach. Not only that but can be considered unfair favouritism of sales.
Minor things to nitpick:
  • delivery arrangements, costs and how long goods will take to arrive.
  • conditions for money given as a deposit or financial guarantees. - Should include code as advertised at point of purchase. I ain't paid £50 over original advertised price to then lose another £50 game code on top.
  • deliver the goods within 30 days, unless you’ve agreed otherwise with the customer - Could be argued for the codes.
You then got these ontop - https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses/online-selling

I aint a lawyer, but have dealt similar cases in past. IT all depends on how technical you want to dive, but short answer is, if they are knowingly allowing queue jumping, then yeh...
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Thanks for the detailed info. Interesting and alarming at the same time.

However, as with anything in terms of limited supply referencing the codes, there is always a 'until stocks last' disclaimer either in the T&C's and usually somewhere on the page. The fact that they are inflating a price in the checkout would raise eyebrows. My order was the same as yours, said one price on the page then at checkout moments later another £50 was added. It was only later that I had indeed paid £50 more. Delivery of the product within 30 days, yes that's a given, but this is stated as a preorder. However, with a preorder, you do need to be very upfront with the customer with expected lead times and be very clear on a window when the product will be dispatched. Something OCUK seems to have completely failed at. The queue-jumping part is hard to actually verify and may simply be anecdotal. What someone says over the phone to a customer and relayed on here could be a combination of incorrectly stating what happens by a CS rep, or someone trolling.
 
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Zeed said:
I posted they using 470 same as Gigabyte they "should" be better quality than 330's and 220's but that requires also check of VRM's quality how much extra filtering is needed. Also MSI got 5+1 configuration as You see
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Worry not. I'm about to start digging in to parts catalogues to check differences between types used by different brands.
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Looking at these pictures it looks that you could replace the cheap chips with the more expensive ones I wonder if you could change them all?
 
fizzy6868 said:
Looking at these pictures it looks that you could replace the cheap chips with the more expensive ones I wonder if you could change them all?
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debaur is doing that to test these things out with his bad soldier skills:) but please don’t fall for cheap and more expensive please that is not the case same as people saying the good and bad ones Both have plus and minus neither is better overall vs the other.
 
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