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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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This is the UK, even if we ordered from Newegg wed have to pay import tax... So no, the price is still higher here
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Oh absolutely agree. The “AMD need better drivers” thing is quite unbelievable.
How did people like their 3.5GB 970s I wonder
I think I’ve decided to continue with AMD cards based on this latest debacle.
Both had their problems, some affecting the users more than others. It depends on which boat you were/are. AMD "driver's problem" with GCN came in the inability to use the hardware completely outside of Mantle/DX12/Vulkan and that was a general one. 3.5GB vRAM with 512MB of slower one could be a problem to a very limited crowd.
Those numbers are at consoles settings, though. Not "full PC settings".
as they point out in the video, they dont think its tapping in to the gpu's full power due to the compatibility mode, so maybe more to come. but il agree 100% its a console gpu in a console operating system. cant take them numbers and claim they will manage the same on the pc.
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Except the 3080 replaces the 2080. The 3090 replaces the 2080Ti so it's more expensive.
True in pure marketing terms, but in reality the 3080 also replaces the 2080Ti which is why it's such good value. The 3090 is a fools purchase that should not have been sold and marketed as a gamers card... I can't understand why anyone in their right mind would buy one for over 100% extra cost and around 10% extra performance. It's the worst value and most senseless card ever released.
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The marketing from Nvidia was about RT due to it Kinda sucks with the rest.
Its hot, crashes and has issues due to a broken samsung 8nm node.
While RT is nice there is still need of some serious hardware and game engines to be created with that in mind which takes years.
In 5 to 10 years we may have a more mainstream market with RT but until then RT sucks.
So AMD enters with Big Dog Navis to ensure a RT for console and pc gamers to start to fulfill this will happen sometime in the future.
Zen3 cpu with new design looks like a dream atm.
One month to go for amd to unleash the gpu side the future of gaming.
Maybe they do some small demo oct 8 when they present zen3 to add some at the end what is coming with Big navis
If not well we know Nvidias options sucks as hot and power draw beyond 300w isn't a good card to buy.
I suspect many will have cards for rma due to that reason alone.
Soon I can own the Nvidiakiller card and Intelkiller cpu.
All good on the homefront
The 3080 doesn't 'suck', that's just a false statement. it may not be perfect, but it doesn't suck. When Nvidia fix these initial launch issues then it will be a wildly popular card that AMD will struggle to compete with. Until we see Big Navi benchmarks, calling it an "Nvidiakiller" is somewhat premature.
Why not? All they have to do is undercut the ridiculous 3090 cost and they’ll get plenty off orders.
Nvidia slipped up, amd should go all out.
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Prices went up last week I think maybe due to shortages (supply/demand), capacitor re-tooling or air freight shipments
One competitor had the TUF on sale at MSRP (you couldn't order it), and then a day later listed it as discontinued... a 3080 discontinued you couldn't make this stuff up
That is not even remotely true, unless you believe the marketing. The 3090 is the top Geforce RTX SKU, this replaces the 2080 Ti. The 3080 is the 2nd Geforce RTX SKU, it replaces the 2080. There is literally no argument to the contrary. And in both cases the actual sale price of these cards has increased again over Turing. And to say that the 3080 is such "good value" compared to the 2080 Ti just cements how good an obfuscation and hype job Nvidia have done for Ampere. Yes, 2080 Ti performance (ish) for 60% of the price is nice, but the 2080 Ti should never have been £1,200 in the first place.
And a 1660Ti was worlds better than the 2080 Ti's pricing, but that means nothing since we're talking about SKU-for-SKU comparisons. If you're hinging some kind of value argument on the 2nd tier SKU costing less than the top tier SKU then you're going to fall flat on your face.
It is literally this simple:
Top RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080 Ti, £1,200+
Top RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3090, £1,400+
Nvidia have successfully raised the price again.
2nd RTX Geforce SKU for Turing: 2080, £700
2nd RTX Geforece SKU for Ampere: 3080, £700 (lol OK)
Nvidia have held price, but that price is a carefully crafted lie. You cannot buy, nor will you realistically ever buy, a 3080 for less than £800, and those prices are set to increase again once Nvidia rescind their (alleged) initial AIB discount. So, Nvidia have successfully raised the price again, and this time actually managed to spin desire and hype into the mix to get people interested and get sales. A not-insignificant price increase and significantly bigger customer interest? Shareholders will be very happy indeed.
I genuinely don't know how you don't see this. It is clear as day, beyond obvious.
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3080 is a decent product, its the bar AMD are challenged with, the retail price having shifted up to £700+ as the lower prices are just a tease.
I really don't agree with your logic, at all, and I don't think you understood mine either... so lets just agree to disagree.
PS: Didn't you announce that you were leaving the thread for a couple of weeks?
I really don't agree with your logic, at all, and I don't think you understood mine either... so lets just agree to disagree.
PS: Didn't you announce that you were leaving the thread for a couple of weeks?
His logic is fair. Nvidia have released two high end cards. 2080tis were like £1200 so the £1400 3090 could be classed as its successor.
3080 was marketed against the 2080 not the 2080ti.
The 3080 is a good card at £650. But very few people are getting £650 cards any time soon. People are likely paying £800+
The way Nvidia market their products is genius and the brain washing is hard to reverse. This is why they call it ‘cult marketing’, the emotional connection to these Nvidia cards is so strong that all rational thought is thrown out of the window.
People feel that these cards are totally unique, nothing is quite the same, there will always be a differentiating feature or, features that make these Nvidia cards special and then, they will back that up with a perfect social marketing campaign to re-enforce that.
Nvidia can charge pretty much what they want to these buyers and treat them however they want because that’s what cult marketing allows them to do.
100% disgraceful
If you read my post I did not even remotely dispute the "official" marketing or 3080 vs 2080, I said that I think that it is a marketing exercise and artificial placement. In reality and practical terms the 3080 is also a replacement for the 2080Ti and this is what all sites are benching and measuring it against. 2080Ti owners should be upgrading to the 3080 as the next logical choice, because the 3090 is marketing smoke and mirrors, an abortion of a card that shouldn't even exist in the gaming line-up. A card of such horrific value that it is embarrassing Nvidia even put it out there. It's one for the FOMO mugs only.
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