AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[Scougar]

rdna 1 + rdna 2 = rdna 3. Half life 3 confirmed!

Holy moly. HL3 included with RDNA cards!!!

 

[Richdog]

AMD Big Navi Leak: If Nvidia Ampere Wins, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory

Executive summary:

• Performance of RDNA2 will not be bandwidth-hungry, GDDR6 is enough to fuel it. This could be due to a new cache pool.
• Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and likely be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.
• Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and 8GB VRAM options and should be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.
• Navi21 will have a 32GB, 256-bit model that competes well with the Nvidia Quadro A6000 with full and uncut professional features. Launch Q1 2021 and priced at $1999-$2999.
  
• Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.
• Navi22 cut-down should have 10-12GB VRAM and be RTX 2070 Super performance or higher. Launch unknown, priced around $299-$379.
  
• Navi23 may have 8GB VRAM and be RX5700 performance with much lower power draw. Launch Q2-Q3 2021, priced around $179-$279.
• Ray Tracing should be as good or better as Turing.
• There will likely be some pseudo-DLSS algorithm.
• Machine learning will play a big part in the new strategy
• The driver bugs with RDNA1 in later 2019 were real and due to hardware-level issues
• AMD were pleasantly surprised how bad the 3090 improvement is vs the 3080, as it removed a big performance concern from their minds. They were expecting it to be far better.

 

[SpiritOfTheAge]

AMD Big Navi Leak: If Nvidia Ampere Wins, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory

Executive summary:

• Performance of RDNA2 will not be bandwidth-hungry, GDDR6 is enough to fuel it. This could be due to a new cache pool.
• Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.
• Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM with 8GB VRAM options and be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.
• Navi21 will have a 32GB, 256-bit model that competes well with the Nvidia Quadro A6000 with full and uncut professional features. Launch Q1 2021 and priced at $1999-$2999.
  
• Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.
• Navi22 cut-down should have 10-12GB VRAM and be RTX 2070 Super performance or higher. Launch unknown, priced around $299-$379.
  
• Navi23 may have 8GB VRAM and be RX5700 performance with much lower power draw. Launch Q2-Q3 2021, priced around $179-$279.
• Ray Tracing should be as good or better as Turing.
• There will likely be some pseudo-DLSS algorithm.
• Machine learning will play a big part in the new strategy
• The driver bugs with RDNA1 in later 2019 were real and due to hardware-level issues
• AMD were pleasantly surprised how bad the 3090 improvement is vs the 3080, as it removed a big performance concern from their minds. They were expecting it to be far better.

Mmm very intersting Mr. Bond.

 

[michty_me]

Well if thats all true, Might just pump a bit of cash and go for the Navi21 3080 competitor or 3070 competitor.

 

[d_brennen]

Executive summary:

• Nobody knows anything about RDNA2 cards that are about to be announced

FTFY

 

[Nablaoperator]

Executive summary:

Couldnt stop reading between the lines here..
he was suggesting AMD is yet unclear about the Navi 21 consumer die (in present tense)..
..which means production has not started yet

 

[Stu999]

• Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and likely be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.

If that's accurate and Navi 21 is within 5 - 10% (preferably 5%) of the 3080 I'd most likely get one at that price if my 3080 pre-order hasn't arrived.

 

[Grim5]

Ouch but not unexpected. Only matching Turing's ray tracing capability which is half that of Ampere - these cards wil need to be price $100usd lower than Ampere counterparts

 

[Rroff]

Ouch but not unexpected. Only matching Turing's ray tracing capability which is half that of Ampere - these cards wil need to be price $100usd lower than Ampere counterparts

Given how accurate (not even remotely) his videos at about this stage were for Ampere I wouldn't base much on it.

 

[The Old School Gamer]

AMD were pleasantly surprised how bad the 3090 improvement is vs the 3080, as it removed a big performance concern from their minds. They were expecting it to be far better.

Haha

 

[MikeB]

I'd be happy with either, however my top limit (Moral not financial) was £650, can't get hold of NVIDIA so waiting to see what AMD do, my Vega 56 has been great but it's time for it to be retired

 

[Soapysage]

Ouch but not unexpected. Only matching Turing's ray tracing capability which is half that of Ampere - these cards wil need to be price $100usd lower than Ampere counterparts

Ampere ray tracing is in no way double the performance of Turing, it's been shown to only be like 20% better when taking into account every other factor i.e tensor cores and power draw.

 

[Soapysage]

Mmm very intersting Mr. Bond.

The one thing I don't understand, if the professional variant goes toe to toe with the Quadro 6000, with the only major difference being 32GB instead of 16GB and slightly lower clocks to save power draw, how does that not mean the 80CU Navi 21 gaming variant not outright beat the 3090? Seeing as the Quadro 6000 is the next step above the 3090

 

[Nablaoperator]

Ampere ray tracing is in no way double the performance of Turing, it's been shown to only be like 20% better when taking into account every other factor i.e tensor cores and power draw.

But i like the idea that it will be $100 lower than Ampere
.. we should actually be thankful to folks who intend to use RTX on Ampere and base their buying decision around it.. let this misperception percolate the masses, no point correcting them cuz we would be getting our cards cheaper

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

AMD Big Navi Leak: If Nvidia Ampere Wins, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory

This guy is so full of ****. But hey let's run with it...

It looks terrible:

Top Navi 21 will hardlaunch probably beginning of DEC.
Top Navi 21 won't beat 3080 at 4k. It might be competitive at 1080p
AMD are still deciding on the specs......
It will cost £550 to £700


That sucks some balls. Not so much the performance . Which I never expected to be beating 3080 but battling with 3070.

But the DEC launch????? Like seriously??? And if that launch gets scalped?
You are looking at 2021 for Navi at best???

Yoke.

 

[RBImGuy]

AMD Big Navi Leak: If Nvidia Ampere Wins, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory

Executive summary:

• 
  
• Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and 8GB VRAM options and should be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.
• Navi21 will have a 32GB, 256-bit model that competes well with the Nvidia Quadro A6000 with full and uncut professional features. Launch Q1 2021 and priced at $1999-$2999.
  
• Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.

Nvidia Killer cards

Ouch but not unexpected. Only matching Turing's ray tracing capability which is half that of Ampere - these cards wil need to be price $100usd lower than Ampere counterparts

RT is the same ballpark with turing and ampere.
Nvidia fail.

Ampere ray tracing is in no way double the performance of Turing, it's been shown to only be like 20% better when taking into account every other factor i.e tensor cores and power draw.

Ray tracing is heavy on the hardware and not a decision to buy a card for.
One guy bought a 3090 at 1440p and plays path of exile and he thought he could turn on RTX for the game...............................................................as its pushes the CPU and access ssd mainly.

When dumb people buy stuff its not good for the world.

 

[Richdog]

This guy is so full of ****. But hey let's run with it...

It looks terrible:

Top Navi 21 will hardlaunch probably beginning of DEC.
Top Navi 21 won't beat 3080 at 4k. It might be competitive at 1080p
AMD are still deciding on the specs......
It will cost £550 to £700


That sucks some balls. Not so much the performance . Which I never expected to be beating 3080 but battling with 3070.

But the DEC launch????? Like seriously??? And if that launch gets scalped?
You are looking at 2021 for Navi at best???

Yoke.

Can you please translate that into legible English?

 

[gpuerrilla]

Hype train full gas now.

At least the rumors are settling now, the positive 'fanboys' on this thread (yes thats me too) always knew if it cannot challenge the 3080 its time to go home. With the open goal for AMD to score in due to uncharacteristically poor decisions from nvidia (low price, red lined, hot, massive, rushed launch) it would seem that AMD spies they had did spook them.

Good for ALL gamers! If you dont buy an AMD this gen, at least thank them that your cheap(er) nvidia cards are going to be delivered sometime soon..

Ed - I have only watched half of the MLID video but a lot of this info is what we were riding on the train with (GDDR6, infinity cache, high clocks, low power consumption).

Looking good, hope they dont fudge it now like Jensens promises, and god please let there be stock!

 

[RBImGuy]

Can you please translate that into legible English?

No easy for people to understand how a big company works with stuff
Must give him some slack

 

[Wrinkly]

AMD Big Navi Leak: If Nvidia Ampere Wins, it’s a Pyrrhic Victory

Executive summary:

• 
  
• Performance of RDNA2 will not be bandwidth-hungry, GDDR6 is enough to fuel it. This could be due to a new cache pool.
  
• Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and likely be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.
  
• Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and 8GB VRAM options and should be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.
  
• Navi21 will have a 32GB, 256-bit model that competes well with the Nvidia Quadro A6000 with full and uncut professional features. Launch Q1 2021 and priced at $1999-$2999.
  
• Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.
  
• Navi22 cut-down should have 10-12GB VRAM and be RTX 2070 Super performance or higher. Launch unknown, priced around $299-$379.
  
• Navi23 may have 8GB VRAM and be RX5700 performance with much lower power draw. Launch Q2-Q3 2021, priced around $179-$279.
• Ray Tracing should be as good or better as Turing.
• There will likely be some pseudo-DLSS algorithm.
  
• Machine learning will play a big part in the new strategy
  
• The driver bugs with RDNA1 in later 2019 were real and due to hardware-level issues
  
• AMD were pleasantly surprised how bad the 3090 improvement is vs the 3080, as it removed a big performance concern from their minds. They were expecting it to be far better.

It has to be as good as Ampere for my money.