AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

[FredFlint]

If AMD can make a Navi 2 card that is 50%+ faster than a 5700XT at a similar cost/power then that will be a vary good generation uplift (on the same node). I don't realty care how it compares against any other card, for me its just got to be a good jump from the last one @ similar cost/power, that said the 5700XT should have been cheaper.

 

[gpuerrilla]

If AMD can make a Navi 2 card that is 50%+ faster than a 5700XT at a similar cost/power then that will be a vary good generation uplift (on the same node). I don't realty care how it compares against any other card, for me its just got to be a good jump from the last one @ similar cost/power, that said the 5700XT should have been cheaper.

Yeah I have to agree. Although it settled in price, it launched higher but over time was better value than the 2070, 2060S.

 

[Sumanji]

Normal people expect RTX 3090 performance give or take because of a new from the ground up architecture!

Normal people? Lol, I suspect they are the people worrying about their jobs and health, not high end video cards

That combined with the rumoured CU increases and clockspeed bumps would make it far too good to believe... So for my own sanity I choose not to lol.

QFT!

 

[Howling]

That's not how maths works.

Hahaha, I've had to say the same thing a few times lately

 

[silversurfer]

Should probably throw Jayz on that blacklist as well

Was he wrong about this error found in some non FE versions.

Normal people? Lol, I suspect they are the people worrying about their jobs and health, not high end video cards



QFT!

If 4k is the true market for these cards I can wait till for a 2nd gen and a more mass market option is targeted.

 

[4K8KW10]

Normal people? Lol, I suspect they are the people worrying about their jobs and health, not high end video cards

The AMD employees must worry about their jobs - they can't offer inferior products all the time

 

[LoadsaMoney]

RTX 3080 is 100% faster than RX 5700 XT.

IF AMD can get more than that over their previous card, then id be worried about Jen pinching their engineers, as his have only managed to get a paltry 40/50% more than their previous card

 

[gpuerrilla]

The next train due on platform #1 is the AMD Express direct to Hypetown

 

[five8five]

I dont know how this amazes you. The flagship nvidia card was launched first, then the 3090 a week later. All a few weeks after Jensens announcement. The 3070 is not out yet. So why are you gurning at the lower stack AMD cards being December+ ?

NAvi21 being available in November is what they said all along..

Have you replied to the wrong message?

 

[4K8KW10]

IF AMD can get more than that over their previous card, then id be worried about Jen pinching their engineers, as his have only managed to get a paltry 40/50% more than their previous card

Well, I believe Variable Rate Shading alone can give very good performance increases if done right there to decrease the quality slightly but increase the performance more.
RX 5700 XT doesn't support Variable Rate Shading or any known performance optimisation via lowered image quality, maybe Radeon Boost but that doesn't work for static parts.
It only downscales the resolution in race simulators, or when the mouse moves.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Have you replied to the wrong message?

No. Although I had to travel back pages and pages as you seem to reply to stuff days later..

You quoted Richdogs post which was this:

Performance of RDNA2 will not be bandwidth-hungry, GDDR6 is enough to fuel it. This could be due to a new cache pool.

• Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and likely be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.
• Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and 8GB VRAM options and should be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.
• Navi21 will have a 32GB, 256-bit model that competes well with the Nvidia Quadro A6000 with full and uncut professional features. Launch Q1 2021 and priced at $1999-$2999.
  
• Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.
• Navi22 cut-down should have 10-12GB VRAM and be RTX 2070 Super performance or higher. Launch unknown, priced around $299-$379.
  
• Navi23 may have 8GB VRAM and be RX5700 performance with much lower power draw. Launch Q2-Q3 2021, priced around $179-$279.
• Ray Tracing should be as good or better as Turing.
• There will likely be some pseudo-DLSS algorithm.
• Machine learning will play a big part in the new strategy
• The driver bugs with RDNA1 in later 2019 were real and due to hardware-level issues
• AMD were pleasantly surprised how bad the 3090 improvement is vs the 3080, as it removed a big performance concern from their minds. They were expecting it to be far better.

I read it you were having a dig at the long time till they are on sale, I was pointing out the nvidia timeline seems the same (announcement till release) trickling down the stack, cant really say anything other than it looks standard to me.

 

[varkanoid]

RTX 3080 is 50% faster than RX 5700 XT.

Corrected it for you. 100-50=50.

 

[Zeeflyboy]

Corrected it for you. 100-50=50.

Well I mean... you corrected him incorrectly.... That's not how percentages work.

Just using that data at 4k and making no comment on the accuracy of it, if the 3080 in that example is at 100% and the 5700XT is at 50%, then the 3080 is 2x as fast, aka 100% faster.

You could alternatively say the 5700XT is 50% as fast, but you can't say the 3080 is 50% faster. A card 50% faster than the 5700XT would register at 75% on that scale.

 

[Sargatanas2511]

The maths in this thread hurts my brain.

 

[gpuerrilla]

If RTX 3070 is around 70 - maximum give or take 80% faster than the RX 5700 XT

Yeah so the 3070 cant be faster than the 3080, as 70-80% would beat its bigger brother!

Well you corrected him incorrectly.... That's not how percentages work.

Just using that data and making no comment on the accuracy of it, if the 3080 in that example is at 100% and the 5700XT is at 50%, then the 3080 is 2x as fast, aka 100% faster.

You could alternatively say the 5700XT is 50% as fast, but you can't say the 3080 is 50% faster. A card 50% faster than the 5700XT would register at 75% on that scale.

Yeah I see whats going on here. Its easier just to say twice as fast or keep a multiplier such as 1.5 to denote its an extra 50% faster.

 

[Troezar]

The maths in this thread hurts my brain.

If the maths is incorrect what else is wrong? I take the same approach with spelling and grammar, red flags...

 

[Sargatanas2511]

If the maths is incorrect what else is wrong? I take the same approach with spelling and grammar, red flags...

To be fair the maths on show is people in the forum, not on leaks or on articles.

 

[SpudMaster]

Jensen imo referred to the 3080 as their flagship so people would immediately start comparing it too the 2080ti. That way when the £650 price tag is revealed it looks like a bargain compared to £1200 for a 2080ti. Unsurprisingly most people lapped it up.

 

[EastCoastHandle]

Jensen imo referred to the 3080 as their flagship so people would immediately start comparing it too the 2080ti. That way when the £650 price tag is revealed it looks like a bargain compared to £1200 for a 2080ti. Unsurprisingly most people lapped it up.

It's amazing people will argue with you that it's true because he said it.

 

[varkanoid]

To be fair the maths on show is people in the forum, not on leaks or on articles.

Its hurting my brain too I wouldnt say 5700xt is 50% as fast I would say its 50% slower. As in 1/2 as fast as a 3080. So 3080 is twice as fast which is 50% faster than a 5700XT. Therefore 3080 is 100% on that scale. If it was 100% faster to me it would be 150% on that scale. Its too late who cares whats right or wrong I'm off to bed.