AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

DDH · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:08

LoadsaMoney said:
LLLLLadies and gentlemen, my names Paul, and in this redgamingtech.com video......

TLDW golly gosh rundown?

Also cyberpunkcat is a no body, so anything that he confirms is confirmed to be unconfirmed

Grim5 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:37

LePhuronn said:
Yes, because I don't care about those things. I buy a graphics card to play games.

This whole "superior Nvidia software stack" argument is just fluff and desperate claw-clutching to somehow "prove" Nvidia will always be superior and justify their inflated prices.

Even if you're just a gamer. Your friends will hear you farting when you use a mic and you're sacrificing performance without some sort of DLSS product.

Grim5 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:37

Th0nt said:
Isnt this a good thing as cooling the die is easier?

Big die usually = Big heat.

Big Die and same heat would be much easier to cool yes.

Intel has the worst of both sides in its CPUs, Small die and Big heat

Grim5 · 4 Oct 2020 at 19:44

DDH said:
That's not what he said at all, infact there was no direct comparison made. He was explaining why on the PS5 it appears as though RT reflections were of a lower resolution, and used the 2060 super in an entirely different game to explain why it's necessary to hit a target frame rate.

He these also speculates the GPU in the ps5 is approximately the same as the 2060 based on specs.

You sound mad though, don't worry. Its nothing to be ashamed of that the 6900XT is slower than the RTX3080 in Ray Tracing.

Its good to see the hype train coming down, it wasn't long ago that some people thought these next gen consoles were going to be running AAA games at 4k 120fps with Ray Tracing that beats PC's of today.

TonyTurbo78 · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:00

Grim5 said:
You sound mad though, don't worry. Its nothing to be ashamed of that the 6900XT is slower than the RTX3080 in Ray Tracing.

Its good to see the hype train coming down, it wasn't long ago that some people thought these next gen consoles were going to be running AAA games at 4k 120fps with Ray Tracing that beats PC's of today.

hmmm rein it in a bit. I doubt many were saying next gen consoles would be doing 4k120fps across the board. In small indie games maybe, but most of us thought 4k60 was the target and certainly possible in plenty of AAA games. For me all I wanted was solid 60fps, if that's with 1440p or even upscaled to 4k from that then so be it, but I just want locked 60fps with a resolution bump from last gen which is easily possible looking at the specs.

gpuerrilla · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:02

You have (as Paul from RGT says many many times) to take @Grim5 with a huge pinch of salt. He now owns a 3080 and wont hear any of it - I tells ya!!

docsonic · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:06

humbug said:
Its just another rumour, but what makes you think this one is rubbish?

I agree Hybrid RT sounds plausible & makes sense for amd to implement.. but this rumour is purportedly from their CFO. With no proof & given how determinedly quiet amd have been, seems rather odd.

Nablaoperator said:
Let's hope RGT Paul can shine more light, er leaks. Somehow he has been conspicuously absent from the scene post the coreteks leak

Edit: typo

I think he just moved house..

Parsley · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:06

Th0nt said:
You have (as Paul from RGT says many many times) to take @Grim5 with a huge pinch of salt. He now owns a 3080 and wont hear any of it - I tells ya!!

He's just looking for a reaction. Stick him on ignore

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Phixsator · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:21

Parsley said:
He's just looking for a reaction. Stick him on ignore .

Did that a long time ago, life has been full of bliss ever since.

Satchfanuk · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:22

melmac said:
What?? If you believe the nonsense you just wrote, than you have no clue. So I presume you wrote this in a hurry or while tired and made a mistake?

Please correct me then if you can. Start by explaining my 'misconception' that RTX isn't based on DXR. Then move on to that feature being marketed by Nvidia as the defacto 'ray-tracing' resulting in consumers, including those on here, replacing the term ray-tracing with RTX in conversations.

For example - 'AMD doesn't have RTX' when what they mean is, AMD doesn't have ray-tracing.

PS - If you're going to call someone stupid, then at least have the good sense to spellcheck your reply.

DDH · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:35

Grim5 said:
You sound mad though, don't worry. Its nothing to be ashamed of that the 6900XT is slower than the RTX3080 in Ray Tracing.

Its good to see the hype train coming down, it wasn't long ago that some people thought these next gen consoles were going to be running AAA games at 4k 120fps with Ray Tracing that beats PC's of today.

Hmm it's interesting that you have both the 6900xt and the 3080 so that you have evidence to back up your claim. Oh, what's that, you don't? Imagine my surprise

I'm not mad, i just call out garbage when i see it

DDH · 4 Oct 2020 at 20:37

Th0nt said:
You have (as Paul from RGT says many many times) to take @Grim5 with a huge pinch of salt. He now owns a 3080 and wont hear any of it - I tells ya!!

Haha is that so. The lengths that people will go to to validate to themselves their own purchasing decisions. If i had bought a shiny new GPU that was as rare as diamonds i wouldn't be frequenting the forum of an upcoming rival GPU. Makes you wonder....

queamin · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:00

JediFragger said:
I remember that, wasn't it because it was a mix of RDNA and GCN? Something like that.

Yes, I posted that as well and that why the driver team had a lot of problems, Amd did it to themselves.

AthlonXP1800 · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:00

humbug said:
20 CU's will be given over to Ray Tracing when required.

Hmmm.

80 CU = 5120 core = 20 TFLOPs FP32
20 CU = 1280 core = 5.6 TFLOPs RT

Well Turing RTX 2080 has 34 TFLOPs RT and Ampere RTX 3080 has 58 TFLOPs RT.

Guess AMD RT seem has very weak RT, maybe slower than Volta.

Journey · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:09

Or Nvidia's way of doing it could just be mega inefficient, and they need the brute force. Don't make assumptions until you have actual facts, not just rumours!

Chuk_Chuk · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:23

AthlonXP1800 said:
Hmmm.

80 CU = 5120 core = 20 TFLOPs FP32
20 CU = 1280 core = 5.6 TFLOPs RT

Well Turing RTX 2080 has 34 TFLOPs RT and Ampere RTX 3080 has 58 TFLOPs RT.

Guess AMD RT seem has very weak RT, maybe slower than Volta.

1. We can't compare Tflops across different architects.
2. The 2080 has 10.1 Tflops of single precision. Are you seriously saying that the RTX 2080 has 3x the "raytracing" tflops but is only a tiny portion of the total die area?

gpuerrilla · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:27

DDH said:
Haha is that so. The lengths that people will go to to validate to themselves their own purchasing decisions. If i had bought a shiny new GPU that was as rare as diamonds i wouldn't be frequenting the forum of an upcoming rival GPU. Makes you wonder....

Yeah you know what I mean, you can sample some of the posts over the past few weeks it takes no brain power to see the patterns of naysayers, stirrers and the like. As you say, what does a proactive brand consumer need to be in a chat about a rumour thread in a rival product?

fs123 · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:32

Th0nt said:
Yeah you know what I mean, you can sample some of the posts over the past few weeks it takes no brain power to see the patterns of naysayers, stirrers and the like. As you say, what does a proactive brand consumer need to be in a chat about a rumour thread in a rival product?

That AthlonXP1800 guy must have been abused in the rear by AMD. He is always posting BS against them. A troll to be ignored.

TNA · 4 Oct 2020 at 21:45

TonyTurbo78 said:
hmmm rein it in a bit. I doubt many were saying next gen consoles would be doing 4k120fps across the board. In small indie games maybe, but most of us thought 4k60 was the target and certainly possible in plenty of AAA games. For me all I wanted was solid 60fps, if that's with 1440p or even upscaled to 4k from that then so be it, but I just want locked 60fps with a resolution bump from last gen which is easily possible looking at the specs.

Fits his narrative so what do you expect. Grim being grim

five8five · 4 Oct 2020 at 22:03

Th0nt said:
No. Although I had to travel back pages and pages as you seem to reply to stuff days later..

You quoted Richdogs post which was this:

I read it you were having a dig at the long time till they are on sale, I was pointing out the nvidia timeline seems the same (announcement till release) trickling down the stack, cant really say anything other than it looks standard to me.

I actually quoted this

Richdog said:
Navi21 3080 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and likely be as fast as 3080 in most things, but potentially not all. On sale around end November 2020 and priced at $549-$699.

Navi21 3070 competitor will have 16GB VRAM and 8GB VRAM options and should be faster than 3070 overall. On sale around December 2020 and priced at $449-$599.

Navi22 full-fat should have 12GB VRAM and be RTX 2080 Super performance or higher. Launch Q1 2021 for $379-$449.

Navi22 cut-down should have 10-12GB VRAM and be RTX 2070 Super performance or higher. Launch unknown, priced around $299-$379.

Navi23 may have 8GB VRAM and be RX5700 performance with much lower power draw. Launch Q2-Q3 2021, priced around $179-$279.

And said

five8five said:
If these dates are accurate, I can understand why Nvidia have gone with a "fill yer boots strategy".

I'll clarify what I was meaning. If those rumoured release dates are true, Nvidia would know that AMD cards weren't in production so they could capitalise with an early launch.

Th0nt said:
I dont know how this amazes you. The flagship nvidia card was launched first, then the 3090 a week later. All a few weeks after Jensens announcement. The 3070 is not out yet. So why are you gurning at the lower stack AMD cards being December+ ?

NAvi21 being available in November is what they said all along..

You're reply was a little baffling as I didn't specifically mention the "lower stack".