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she probably hasnt used a computer in the past 15 years..
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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she probably hasnt used a computer in the past 15 years..
If AMD can bring something that competes with it though it looks better for nVidia if AMD isn't competing with their 3080ti part (I don't think that is the only reasoning to it but I think it is part of it).
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You can say that... but the 3080 is really a one time product its based on the Titan grade core
Its so close to the Ti that, if you ask me, is practically a very good product at the price it is being made available
and theres good reason to believe that AMD has forced nvidia's hand.. so worth waiting for the big navi unveil
Its so close to the Ti that, if you ask me, is practically a very good product at the price it is being made available
and theres good reason to believe that AMD has forced nvidia's hand.. so worth waiting for the big navi unveil
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It doesn't make any sense. All it has done is wind people up as they buy something they cant get for weeks. This is ultimately why I think AMD do have something.
ahaha
People won't have it but I honestly believe that they massively underestimated demand - global volume of the cards available is slightly down on previous launches but not much - the charts someone posted before in terms of supply aren't really that different from the first few weeks of previous GPU launches.
Maybe but they seem to have less cards than normal why not wait a month to get more in stock.
Amazing, AMD owners might actually be able to play games now instead of deciphering why the PC keeps crashing, truely a new age has arrived
That's because nothing about Nvidia massively underestimating demand makes logical sense when you look at the insane levels of hype surrounding the launch even many months before, and taking into account the numbers of card shipped to suppliers vs what they ordered (many articles have been published recently providing figures for that from major retailers). You are pretty much the only person I have seen who genuinely and inexplicably believes, against the ever-mounting evidence showing otherwise, that Nvidia massively underestimated demand.
Bull. Crud.
I not had no crashes in ages, but I don't upgrade to new drivers all the time at least my card will not catch fire.
100%, they didnt' underestimate anything, if they did theyr'e idiots... as the internet was alive with 3000 series like no other card I've seen in 25 years... and nVidia underestimated? No, they released too early to scupper AMD and it backfired BADLY and now it's excuse time. Simple as that/ They've got a fantastic product that no one can buy and it's a shame... All AMD needs to do is be within 10% performance and be around 20% cheaper but the most important thing is HAVE CARDS AVAILABLE ON DAY 1 and they're onto a winner. They don't even have to match 3000 series, just undercut, be competative and be AVAILABLE!
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Lisa Su Edition drivers?
Sounds accurate
Adaptive performance (TM).
We've never had a situation before where a new GPU launch has generated traffic volumes that exceed Black Friday, taken out websites for so many hours at a time and levels of traffic that resulted in other unrelated sites thinking they were being DDOS'd.
There is always massive hype around a new GPU launch - translating that into actual sales is as much an art-form as it is a science and actual order quantities were an unknown before launch.
You are entitled to think what you like Roff, even if it makes little sense. I'm satisfied with my conclusions based on what I have seen.
I find that a lot around here... unfortunately in the long run it tends to turn out I was right.
EDIT: I'm especially looking forward to watching people's attitudes towards ray tracing change over time.
Sure, Roff.
If you look at the failure that was Ampere Launch closely, Nvidia are clearly spooked.
1) Paper Launch - almost zero products worldwide
2) Cards failing out of the box at launch
3) Cards clocked to their limits out of the box
4) Marginal increase in performance over previous tiers
5) Cards manufactured with inferior components
6) Partners selling cards at inflated prices via their resellers on sites like Ebay
7) Having to release drivers to stop cards failing, which then actually regressed cards box stated stats
8) Cards with limited Vram while copious rumors and leaks point to versions with higher Vram being kept back
9) Delaying release of all products til AMD show their hand
Yet people are still calling this a victory because the one smart thing Nvidia done was basically hang out to dry their 2080ti owners by giving their customers a 3080 cut down Vram card that performs a lot better at two thirds the price.
So many people believe Nvidia have had a good launch, because the 3080 appears on paper to be a great product, i mean all that performance for that MSRSP... which incidentally very few people will actually get it for unless your willing to wait 3+ months for it. Its a huge gamble, especially if AMD bring the hammer with similar performance at a cheaper price to offset the lack of "Nvidia" features such as DLSS and RTX (AMD will have inferior Ray Tracing we know this, but we expect it to be better than Nvidias 1st gen Ray tracing anyhow, so id call that a win)
The most insulting thing i feel though, is even now with the huge back orders of 3080 / 3090 cards, Nvidia will still undoubtedly release 20GB variants of the 3080, at a hugely marked up price, while their customers still cant get the 10GB versions, watch this space i can almost guarantee it will happen.
Yet despite all of this absolute clusterbumble of a launch people still believe AMD will only be competing with the 3070, its mind-blowing how people can still feel this to be the case lmao...
We could quite possibly see a scenario where not only does AMD compete with Nvidia this time round, but actually come at a good price and have plenty of stock to fill orders (the last bit im still hesitant about due to AMD needing to fulfil CPU and console orders, could be a big ask)
What i do know for certain, is Amperes launch gets more hysterical to watch by the day, i literally laugh everytime i read a new thread on this and other forums and reddit etc regarding something new from this launch, or a new failure etc, literally you could not make this launch up, its horrendously funny.
I'd absolutely expect that to happen though... other than the most ardent of naysayers, most that speak negatively about ray tracing do so not because they think the technology is fundamentally crap, just that it has not yet matured to the point where they care about it enough to justify the performance impacts.
Myself for example, I think it'll be pretty important in the future for gaming but for now it isn't a huge factor in my decision. Or more accurately there are other things that would sway me towards either manufacturer's card more than the ray tracing perf would. A couple more generations in and I would probably start to feel like I am missing out if you don't have a card with good ray tracing perf, and at that point it will start to form a bigger part of the decision making process for me but for now it is a "nice to have" rather than a "must have" for me.
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